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  •  "Independent" was not a bad idea back in the days (0+ / 0-)

    before one party became bat shit insane. I used to vote for a select few Republicans in the past, particularly when there was a personal integrity issue with a Democrat. Now?

    We are in a situation such as I faced during a brief residence in Louisiana long ago when even voting for the crook is necessary because the alternative is simply too odious. Now, voting for the Democrat is necessary because the alternative, if not in the person in the group that that person's party label and vote for majority status will put in power, is too odious. The only place it is strategically safe to be "independent" in the old way is in some state and local elections where majority status for the TP/GOP is not going to happen and there is either a true independent or one of the increasing rare reasonable Republicans running and the Democrat is flawed.

    Uh uh. In such times being "independent" in that way through silence by not voting or voting for even a reasonably good person who will lend support to power by an odious and dangerous group is drivel. It is being a neutral in a battle that if lost puts some real bad characters in power.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Sun May 20, 2012 at 07:48:09 AM PDT

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    •  Historically, that day (0+ / 0-)

      came in the 1800 Presidential campaign, when the corporatist Federalists claimed that Jefferson was going to burn down the churches, just for starters. For Republicans, it was evident at the 1964 Republican Convention, which Jackie Robinson (a Rockefeller Republican and guest at the convention) compared with Hitler's Germany.

      Busting the Dog Whistle code.

      by Mokurai on Sun May 20, 2012 at 12:38:59 PM PDT

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      •  "That day" has come several times in our history. (0+ / 0-)

        We, as most nations, go through cycles with some much more benign than others and some much worse.

        A human failing is not seeing the change and continuing a practice that may have been valid in one time or place that has become invalid due to change. Being "independent" with respect to political party may be perfectly valid at a time and place with reasonable and balanced people representing two views and willing to work compromises for common good. It becomes invalid and dangerous when one side or another goes rabid.

        For example, I was a young independent in the South in the early 1960s and often voted Republican even though I strongly disagreed with their distaste for New Deal era economics. The alternative was Dixiecrat Dems that were more often than not blatant racists. Ironically, with the smashing success of the "Southern Strategy" in which the TP/GOP has embraced so many of those old Dixiecrat values--except economic--I've become a yellow dog Democrat.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Sun May 20, 2012 at 08:15:09 PM PDT

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