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  •  Eminently Solvable Problems (0+ / 0-)

    "It's worth noting that major improvements can be made simply by increasing economic integration of neighborhoods or even schools. These are eminently solvable problems."

    I'm curious as to how you would go about solving this problem.  Where I'm from, rich kids go to private schools.  Since outlawing private schools would be morally questionable and politically unfeasible, it seems to me that the only way to "increase economic integration" is to pay for middle class and poor kids to attend private schools...  but of course, this would be DESTROYING THE PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM!!!

    •  Well for one (1+ / 0-)
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      TDDVandy

      you could integrate everyone but the rich kids (i.e. those in the system).  But magnets that offer specialized opportunities have been successful in bringing people back to the public school system.

      (Not sure what's with the all caps, but yes, using vouchers to send everyone to private schools instead of public school would, obviously, destroy the public education system.)

      A nation founded in name of self-determination & popular government has no business supporting autocratic regimes.. @DavidKaib

      by David Kaib on Sun May 20, 2012 at 08:27:29 PM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

        Due to the ongoing evisceration of the middle class, "everyone but the rich kids" increasingly means "the poor kids".

        Even in NYC, which has some of the best public schools in the world, you won't find too many kids at those schools from upper income brackets.

      •  Or, simply (1+ / 0-)
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        You can actually achieve some level of economic integration simply by rezoning "traditional" schools to that effect.

        For example, the school district I live in has 40 percent economically disadvantaged students, and the three high schools in the district are all around that number -- in spite of the fact that there are neighborhoods with vast disparities in income throughout the district.  But the district intentionally draws the attendance boundaries in an effort to ensure balance, rather than having one school with a small number of economically disadvantaged students and another with a large number.

        28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

        by TDDVandy on Sun May 20, 2012 at 08:48:04 PM PDT

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    •  well... yeah... (1+ / 0-)
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      Except where is the evidence that private schools are actually better at educating students than public schools?

      Students from upper-middle-class backgrounds are generally the ones attending private schools.  Students from upper-middle-class backgrounds also tend to do well in public schools.

      Is there any evidence that children from poor backgrounds actually do better in private schools?

      28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Sun May 20, 2012 at 08:45:57 PM PDT

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      •  One thing private schools do have (0+ / 0-)

        Is very serious college counseling departments.  That's kind of what it's all about.

        •  Another thing that private schools have (4+ / 0-)

          is a whole lot of college-bound students.

          You're addressing the wrong end of the problem.  I think that our schools actually focus too much on college prep when many students might be more interested in vocational education.  There's nothing "wrong" with getting a high school diploma and training for a career along with it, and it's sad that we've given up on this and outsourced it to for-profit career training schools -- why on earth can't we just do this in the public high schools?

          (Never mind that even if our public schools DID have very serious college counseling departments, many kids can't afford to go to college -- and if they do they're in the hands of the for-profit student loan industry.)

          28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

          by TDDVandy on Sun May 20, 2012 at 09:03:09 PM PDT

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          •  Community colleges get no respect (3+ / 0-)
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            But they do good work in this area, usually better than the for-profit shysters.

            •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

              But because our states don't fund them enough, there's not enough space for everybody and probably not enough programs.  Hence why you end up with the for-profit shysters.

              But, the right thinks that low taxes are more important than investing in the people.  Rick Perry brags about balancing the budget without raising taxes, but he did it with massive cuts to public education.

              28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

              by TDDVandy on Sun May 20, 2012 at 09:29:52 PM PDT

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