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  •  Maybe I am wrong, but I don't see this (9+ / 0-)

    ending well for the Catholic Church.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Tue May 22, 2012 at 02:07:19 PM PDT

    •  I can see them losing in court and then taking (7+ / 0-)

      it out on their students and employees.  Maybe by doing what is hinted at in the story - declining public funding for any/everything so they can be as discriminating as they want.  They might care should there be a massive backlash as all females and many males vacate the premises, but I can see them still being too stubborn to back down.

      •  These schools can cease to provide (3+ / 0-)
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        health care insurance for their students.  Under ACA, no problem.

        When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

        by msmacgyver on Tue May 22, 2012 at 02:45:35 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, This Won't End Well For Them Unless They (3+ / 0-)
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        plan on recruiting only the few childless young adults who survive the abstinence only, no-hand holding, evolution-is-a-lie parts of the country.
        http://www.gallup.com/...

        Eighty-two percent of U.S. Catholics say birth control is morally acceptable, nearing the 89% of all Americans and 90% of non-Catholics who agree. The level of acceptability on this issue is far greater than that of the other 17 issues Gallup asked about this year.
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        Although Catholic leaders have protested the portion of the Affordable Care Act mandating that health insurance plans include payment for birth control, the average rank-and-file Catholic in the U.S. finds the use of birth control morally acceptable. Catholic leaders are no doubt aware that many of their parishioners use birth control, but these data underscore the divide between official church teaching and Catholics' day-by-day behaviors.
        But I guess if a state can authorize doctors to lie about abortion care, can lying about/ concealing contraceptive care be too far away?
      •  What about sanctions? (1+ / 0-)
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        Seriously, if they have a problem with the law, file the suit, get the decision and then appeal it if they don't like it.

        But filing essentially the same lawsuit in 40+ different venues?  That sure seems like abuse of process.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Tue May 22, 2012 at 05:06:38 PM PDT

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        •  Are they venue-shopping? (1+ / 0-)
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          I wondered if the suits wouldn't be consolidated.  But then I remembered the GOP filed suits in a bunch of states against 'Obamacare'.  
          If the Bishops have avoided filing any suits in the Ninth Circuit, and filed in most of the others, maybe they're venue-shopping.  But I almost think they're hoping to improve the odds that the Supreme Court will have to take the case up after some appellate courts disagree.  Isn't a majority of the Supreme Court justices Catholic right now?  

          I have visions of Cardinal Dolan threatening the Supremes with excommunication if they rule against him.  Don't bet he hasn't thought about it.

          We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

          by david78209 on Tue May 22, 2012 at 08:48:29 PM PDT

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      •  Losing? In the Supreme court? (1+ / 0-)
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        With the Opus Dei stacked court?

        Please, please let them decline public funding!

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Wed May 23, 2012 at 04:39:38 AM PDT

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    •  Recent polling showing Romney gaining among (0+ / 0-)

      married women.   I'm guessing a large part of that group is married Catholic women.

      I think we actually are seeing some backlash from Catholics who don't support the bishops' right wing politics, but also seem to instinctively circle the wagons when it's non-Catholics attacking the Church.

      I know it's tribal, and I know it doesn't make logical sense, but how else do you explain Romney gaining among women at the same time that the GOP and the Bishops are waging a war against women?

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