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  •  Actually that's not true. (4+ / 0-)
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    wwmiv, bfen, bumiputera, malharden

    If you're talking about sheer numbers, there's more anti-gay white Democrats than Black Democrats according to the DailyKos polls.

    Approximately 8% of Democrats are African-Americans who oppose all legal recognition of gay couples.

    Approximately 11% of Democrats are whites who oppose all legal recognition of gay couples.

    If you're talking percent opposition within a key Democratic demographic, Muslims, who voted around 90-95% for Obama and are an important demographic in several key states, are likely less favorable of gay rights.

    About 45% of Muslims, who voted about 92% for Obama, say homosexuality should be discouraged by society, implying that 45% would not want legal recognition of gay couples.  45% is larger than the 36% among African-Americans.

    What may also be true about African-Americans who oppose gay marriage is they are changing their minds faster than any other demographic.  There is some evidence to support this but time will tell.  'Blaming' Blacks for the failure of Amendment 1 as has been going on in the media does not seem likely to be productive in helping this trend along.  

    •  Not what he said (2+ / 0-)
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      He said that African Americans are the largest Democratic constituency that is, on average, anti-gay rights. He's right on that count. He didn't say that anti-gay African Americans specifically were the largest anti-gay bloc in the party (which is what you showed to not be true).

      22, Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (Taught; B.A. in Political Philosophy/Science), TX-17 (Lived); Left, right, back to the middle... Taste my skittles?

      by wwmiv on Mon May 21, 2012 at 06:03:05 PM PDT

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      •  That may be what he meant (2+ / 0-)
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        bumiputera, malharden

        But then we have 57% of African Americans supporting either marriage or civil unions for gay couples.  I find it hard to argue that supporting legal recognition for gay couples is anti-gay.

        •  Either? (0+ / 0-)

          In my experience, "either" is deceptive.

        •  really? (0+ / 0-)

          Since when is  supporting "seperate but equal" for gays is pro-LGBT?  You're about a decade behind the times there...

          Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

          by lostboyjim on Tue May 22, 2012 at 05:25:31 AM PDT

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          •  It is a mushy middle. (2+ / 0-)
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            lostboyjim, jncca

            I don't think I've labeled civil unions 'pro-LGBT' but again I have a hard time labeling it anti-LGBT as well.  People who make this choice in a poll are evolving.  But I would be surprised if many people who think homosexuality is an 'abomination' or evil would support civil unions.  

            Time will tell for sure, but from the detailed polling data it looks like nearly all people who can evolve to this 'mushy middle' position will eventually get to full marriage support, like Obama.  There are indeed plenty of people a decade behind the times, who think 'separate but equal' is enough, but as each year moves forward more and more reconsider and conclude that it isn't.

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