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  •  My question (11+ / 0-)

    So what?


    It is the largest protest in the history of the country despite the lack of support by elitists at McGill.

    Clearly, the folks at McGill have missed out on the mood of the times. They'd do well to start asking themselves why these protests are happening and why they are not part of them.

    •  Perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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      Because they aren't self-righteous idiots getting mortally offended by the thought of having to pay more for a university education, but still less than most universities in Canada, and who then engage in acts of terrorism that results in paralyzing one of the largest cities in North America, and then manage to convince well-meaning but rather uninformed people that they're somehow part of the occupy movement?

      •  second that (0+ / 0-)

        As a (it kills me to say this) ex-Montrealer, i've been very interested in the ongoing protests. And i sympathise with the demonstrators.

        But i can also plainly see that this has been co-opted by people who do not put the best interests of students first. And i strongly suspect that those people have been co-opted to some degree by even murkier agents who are quite content to keep the government in turmoil.

        All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

        by subtropolis on Wed May 23, 2012 at 12:09:03 AM PDT

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        •  Self-inflicted wound (12+ / 0-)

          As I explained below, many factors explain the mobilization, which goes above and beyond the student movement. As I watched the coverage on RDI and LCN (the two all-news stations in Montreal), I was struck by the cross-section of Quebec society in the streets today. Mainly young for sure, but they were joined by unions, artists, social movements and retired people. Some brought their kids in strollers to demonstrate!

          The general discontent with the Charest government and the gross mismanagement of the crisis has given many lives to this social movement over the last three months. The "murkier agents" were there for sure, but with this number of people, they were a minority to the common folks.

          •  I don't doubt their intentions (0+ / 0-)

            Not one bit. And if i was there right now i'd be in the streets.

            That's not a contradiction. I'm able to see this from different perspectives, as you seem to as well.

            All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

            by subtropolis on Wed May 23, 2012 at 12:52:57 AM PDT

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      •  "Acts of terrorism" (8+ / 0-)

        This place is becoming useful mostly for its comedic value.

        The club is all their law, to keep all men in awe That they no vision saw to maintain such a law

        by JesseCW on Wed May 23, 2012 at 05:11:18 AM PDT

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      •   Not exactly (5+ / 0-)

        Terrorism is making people afraid for their lives with coercive intent. This is entirely not that. Blocking traffic certainly doesn't fit the definition. Even the idiots who committed vandalism, while stupid and counter-productive, don't fit the definition.

        In the mean time, most movements start with a spark that grows into a larger flame - a flame fanned by the winds of discontent that have been blowing silently for some time. So, yes, the overall protest has changed from just desperate students who are afraid of what an unnecessary tuition increase will mean for their futures in a stagnant job market, to a larger cross-section of citizens, but that's the way mass protests tend to work.

        People are making it clear: they are done with the status quo. The obscenely wealthy have been sucking ordinary people dry all around the world, and people all around the world are no longer willing to stand idly by.

        Whatever label one wants to attach to that (Occupy or something else), that's what we're witnessing.

        •  "Blocking traffic"? (0+ / 0-)

          I refer to setting off smoke bombs in subway terminals resulting in the entire system being shut down until it's confirmed there's no danger.

          And for people saying that smoke bombs aren't a big deal, I imagine they can't think of any reason why unknown chemicals being used in a subway station, or the smell of smoke, might be a cause for concern. Probably because they haven't used Google and have never heard of King's Cross Station or Tokyo and sarin.

      •  That sounds a lot like what Conservative here say (5+ / 0-)

        Any time the ones who are truly hurting start complaining about the burden.

        "I will believe corporations are people the day Texas executes one!"

        by Haningchadus14 on Wed May 23, 2012 at 06:38:09 AM PDT

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