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  •  Right on! (2+ / 0-)
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    G2geek, NoMoreLies

    Small-scale, local is best for everyone (except the corporations that own the politicians). If that were the case, a relatively "free market" approach would work. Those additives could go to Hell because they wouldn't be needed.

    My cousin had to give up his dairy farm and moved away to sell farm implements for a big corporation. He wasn't after great wealth, just enough for his wife and four kids to live comfortably. The youngest son fell in with a bad crowd and was shot dead during an attempted burglary. His big brother, who worked in tunnels in a big aviation plant, died at 50.

    In 100 years, we have gone from being 80 percent rural to 80 percent urban. A large portion of our GDP is in the often-fraudulent financial industry (lost the link). Only the transnational corporations prosper.

    I don't know the way out of this, but I'm old enough to remember what it was like. Surely a better world is possible!

    "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

    by cotterperson on Sat May 26, 2012 at 12:00:47 PM PDT

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    •  Just out of curiosity (1+ / 0-)
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      How are you going to feed everyone in the greater New York City area on locally grown food?

      Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

      by milkbone on Sat May 26, 2012 at 04:23:17 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not. (0+ / 0-)

        Like I said, I don't know the way out of this. I can only live as locally as possible myself. Just some historical perspective from an old fart.

        "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

        by cotterperson on Sat May 26, 2012 at 06:00:48 PM PDT

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      •  New York City is an exception. (0+ / 0-)

        Though much good farm land on Long Island and surrounding areas, ended up getting paved for suburbs.

        There needs to be a concerted effort to reclaim land for farming in a "green belt" around greater New York.  

        But aside from that, the cultural and commercial and civic value of greater New York are sufficient as to merit an exception from "grow local" policies.  

        There are a few cities like that:  New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, maybe I missed one or two, and of course any city that becomes a spaceport, which would mean the areas around the NASA installations in Florida and Texas.  

        Everywhere else should be under strict edicts to require staple food production within one day's drive at horse & wagon speeds.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat May 26, 2012 at 07:09:54 PM PDT

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    •  Small-scale, local, and SAFE (2+ / 0-)
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      cotterperson, NoMoreLies

      Remember that we came from small-scale and local -- not all of them knowledgeable and/or scrupulous -- and chose as a nation to fund a Food and Drug Administration to reduce morbidity and mortality from foodborne illnesses and sketchy pharmaceuticals. That doesn't mean the FDA bureaucracy should be allowed to run rampant, but there is a very non-trivial baby/bathwater issue here. Foodborne illness already runs at 50-75 million cases per year (compare CDC's outbreak stats from 2007 with 2008 ). Happily, few people die but it's an understatement to call the misery, lost productivity, time lost from school, and lingering effects from pathogens such as Campylobacter significant.

      And while we're batting the raw-milk issue around in this diary, keep in mind that the Feds were going after Dan Allgyer (of Amish farmer fame) because he allegedly persisted in selling raw milk (a) improperly labeled as such, and (b) for interstate commerce. He was clearly breaking the law, and was well aware of doing so. Pennsylvania state law allows the sale of properly labeled raw milk at the farm and in retail outlets. If local is kept local, there's no problem.

      •  Thanks for the thoughtful response. (1+ / 0-)
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        Like I said, I don't have the answers. But the combination of urbanization, globalization, and corporatization of governments seems insurmountable -- and that's going to affect the public health. I just live as locally as I can. Do not want to feed the corporatocracy ;)

        "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

        by cotterperson on Sat May 26, 2012 at 06:12:11 PM PDT

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