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  •  But there were not less wars (2+ / 0-)
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    Mets102, sarahnity

    Human history is bloody and tragic.

    Whether face to face or not, war would still exist and it's specter would haunt us. Is it easier with Guns and Drones.. sure.

    Now if there were a draft.. There would be less ground troop presence and probably even more drone strikes. If there were no drones then rather than us slaughtering people in a far land, they would be slaughtering each other. NOTE: THAT IS NOT SAYING THAT OUR ACTIONS ARE RIGHT OR MAKE NO DIFFERENCE

    There is nothing in history as a species that indicates that if people went face to face there would be less fighting. Absolutely nothing.

    "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

    by volleyboy1 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 10:34:48 AM PDT

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    •  how many countries are we bombing with... (4+ / 0-)
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      triv33, PhilJD, Shawn Russell, priceman

      drones in right now? and how many of those countries would we still be warring with if we had to do so face to face?

      sometimes, it really is that simple.

      Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are. --St Augustine

      by poligirl on Fri May 25, 2012 at 11:31:19 AM PDT

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      •  WOW... that is about the most simplistic thing (1+ / 0-)
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        that I have seen in a long time.

        You think if we didn't have drones there wouldn't be military actions in those countries? Seriously?

        Again poligirl, where in the mankinds past has he/she been worried about fighting wars? We fight for all kinds of stupid reasons.

        It is NOT that simple and it never is that simple.

        But Drones as a tool of war are not going away whether you want them to or not. It if our enemies had them, they would use them as well. As military technology gets more advanced, people don't shy away from it, witness Nuclear weapons. We used one. People saw what they can do, what happened... Everyone wants to build them despite that fact. You think al-Qaeda would hesitate for three seconds if someone offered them a nuke? If so, then please... I have some land in Florida to sell...

        This is not some weird challenge of 1v1 combat. That is not how wars are fought. They will never be fought that way and despite romantic notions they never were fought that way. People use advantages in war. That is how it works.

        "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

        by volleyboy1 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 12:18:39 PM PDT

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        •  i don't think you understand what i am saying... (4+ / 0-)
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          we are not talking about the reasons to go to war, we are talking the sheer magnitude and increasing frequency with which we militarily attack in other countries.

          if you seriously think we would be doing the same level of warring (meaning the same level of killing and destruction) in all of the countries we are using drones in right now, if it had to be face to face, then i'm the one with the bridge to sell, not you.

          Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are. --St Augustine

          by poligirl on Fri May 25, 2012 at 12:24:01 PM PDT

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          •  LOL... No, I get you perfectly (1+ / 0-)
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            Mets102

            and I think you are some misguided impression that if there were no drones there would be less war when all of human history argues against you.

            If you are just talking about the Post WWII U.S.... No, I don't even think that would apply. We didn't have drones for a lot of that and look how much killing there was.

            But it's a silly discussion because drones exist and are not going away. What commander is going to send troops into harms way if he doesn't have to?

            Let me ask you, do you actually think that if our enemies had drones as well, they wouldn't use them?

            "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

            by volleyboy1 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 12:46:20 PM PDT

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            •  no, it's pretty clear you don't get what i'm... (2+ / 0-)
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              triv33, priceman

              saying, cuz you keep adding to and/or changing the parameters, to fit your argument.

              so rather than sit here and argue with someone who's calling me - a university-educated, college level Am Gov textbook writer, with a minor in ME studies including in depth Am For Policy over there - "misguided" and calling the discussion "silly" i think i'll go elsewhere. have a good day.

              Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are. --St Augustine

              by poligirl on Fri May 25, 2012 at 01:26:37 PM PDT

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              •  No... I am not. (1+ / 0-)
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                Mets102

                I don't know what inane point you are trying to make since you don't seem to have a reasonable answer for any of my questions... I realize they don't fit your simplistic world view but..... I haven't changed a darn thing about our discussion but you seem not to want to deal with hard questions.

                Now as far as your qualifications.... WOW!!! Get your money back from the University that you got your degree from - you got ripped off.

                Just FYI, I too am a University Graduate with a degree in Poli Sci. Int'l Relations (emphasis on the Middle East) AND I lived over there (the Middle East) for a year which honestly doesn't mean a whole lot regarding anything. Now, I certainly don't know it all but I do that I made valid points to which you simply had no reasonable answer.

                Anyway, you have a lovely day yourself.

                "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

                by volleyboy1 on Fri May 25, 2012 at 02:00:30 PM PDT

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