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  •  So they can't set anyone else up?? n/t (4+ / 0-)

    "I will believe corporations are people the day Texas executes one!"

    by Haningchadus14 on Thu May 24, 2012 at 04:46:32 PM PDT

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    •  They also won't be able to do (0+ / 0-)

      other undercover work, against gangs and mobsters, now that they've been outed. This is wrong in so many ways. They were doing their jobs, nothing more. If we don't like what their assignments were, we agitate for changes through the electoral process or through the police commissioners or a public review board. There are ways of combatting what we believe to be unfair police practices. Endangering the lives and/or ruining the careers of blue-collar public servants is not going to win over any hearts and minds.

      •  Yes, we can wait years for Rahm to go (2+ / 0-)
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        while these same people target activists.  Doing this and working for change in other ways are not exclusive.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Thu May 24, 2012 at 05:21:17 PM PDT

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      •  "Just doing my job" ("following orders") is not (8+ / 0-)

        adequate justification, when peoples' lives, freedom and reputations are at stake.

        Consider that serious allegations exist that these two cops "just doing their jobs" entrapped the NATO 3 by enticing them to commit or plan acts they might not have otherwise committed or planned. Is "just doing their jobs" now going to excuse entrapment?

        •  Basically what you are saying (0+ / 0-)

          is that it is okay to out an undercover officer, based solely on the claims of several criminal defendants. You don't even know yet what the evidence against the NATO 3 is yet you are happy to see the careers ruined for two undercover police detectives. If you knew for sure that these officers illegally entrapped them, and did sinister things, that would be one thing. But you don't know, you merely suspect. That is not enough to ruin peoples' lives.

          •  this isn't ruining anyone's lives (4+ / 0-)

            You do know you can get Photos of cops by going to a police station and taking them too.   Weak tea

            Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

            by Mindful Nature on Thu May 24, 2012 at 08:27:00 PM PDT

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          •  Here's what I do know: a week before (1+ / 0-)
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            they were arrested for this supposed plot, the NATO 3 or at least 1 or more of its members were pulled over and harassed and threatened by Chciago PD. A video of that harassment that included threats of extra-judicial punishment ('beatings') subsequently hit the internet and went viral.

            Don't you find it in the slightest bit suspicious that the alleged undercover cops knew just whom to cozy up to and bust up the bombing plot miraculously right before Occupy Chicago was set to protest against NATO? Even without knowing about COINTELPRO and the Churh Committee hearings of the 70s, I would find it suspicious as all get out.

            Whose life was ruined exactly? These cops are civil servants protected by Civil Service regulations.

      •  If they stuck to going after gangs and mobsters (15+ / 0-)

        I might agree with you.  When they cross the line into activities such as this they deserve to be exposed.

        Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

        by kbman on Thu May 24, 2012 at 06:19:27 PM PDT

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      •  wait a minute (3+ / 0-)
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        win over any hearts and minds
        isn't that a phrase our media uses when our army is foreign lands trying to pacify the restive natives?  It's not a phrase i would have used, and i think it shows a certain over-deference to the Powers That Be.
      •  Police agencies have no shortage of undercover (2+ / 0-)
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        and plain clothes officers to do "other undercover work, against gangs and mobsters." And if Mo and Gloves were currentently involved in such cases, this would point to gross incompetence on any agencies employing them.

        By the way, can you point to some recent convictions, or even charges against gangs and mobsters in Chicago in which undercover agents were used?

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        Resistance Is Fertile - Occupy

        by Sean X on Thu May 24, 2012 at 11:11:18 PM PDT

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      •  These people set up protesters (0+ / 0-)

        They have ruined these 3 people's lives, and I don't want their bull shit ruining other lives.  Good police work does not include actions to set-up people like this.  If they do that kind of work, they should expect possible ramifications.   Most of the protesters are non-violent and these cops/snitches were instigating violence and then blaming the protesters.  I want everyone to know who they are and what they did, so they can't do it again.  Yes, cops have a job to do, but I don't think it includes this type of set-up.

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