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  •  It's a fact I even cited the statistics. Once more (2+ / 0-)
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    here it is again.

    With more than 100 raids on pot dispensaries during his first three years, Obama is now on pace to exceed Bush's record for medical-marijuana busts.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/...

    If you don't like those facts contact Rolling Stone Magazine.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/...

    Tell me what they think of you after you do.

    •  That's called a correlation. (0+ / 0-)

      Once again, zero evidence of the actual claim.

      Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

      by Troubadour on Sat May 26, 2012 at 11:40:56 PM PDT

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      •  It's not a correlation when the Obama admin (2+ / 0-)
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        is doing it. Why don't you just read the RollingStone Article instead of asking me to spoonfeed you information like a baby.

        One more time for even those that are not the sharpest tools in the tool-shed:

        the Obama administration has quietly unleashed a multi­agency crackdown on medical cannabis that goes far beyond anything undertaken by George W. Bush.

        Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/...

        If you respond to me define what Obama administration means. Define what unleashed means and define what crackdown means.

        Stop being intellectually lazy and actually read what I give you and what I quote blatantly.

        If you still are not convinced sue Rolling Stone Magazine or compel them to make a retraction.

        As long as they have the article up I will cite it and make the same conclusion they did.

        •  There should be a few question marks in my above (1+ / 0-)
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          response but I am too tired and made a few grammatical errors.

        •  "It's not a correlation when the Obama admin (0+ / 0-)

          is doing it."  

          I rest my case.  You don't seem to know what the hell you're talking about, even down to a basic understanding of how the Executive branch functions.  In your world, it's all some magical fiat process where the President sets out a design and it becomes the shape of what the other hundreds of thousands of federal employees do.  You don't know what you're talking about, and you obviously don't care that you don't.  This diary is totally fucking useless to the issue it claims to represent.

          Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

          by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 12:26:05 AM PDT

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          •  Ah yes! That's why my diary on the same subject (1+ / 0-)
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            was on the recommended list and had over 200 recs. The diary is here:

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            It's called Nancy Pelosi Wants Obama to Stop Raiding Medical Marijuana Dispensaries

            So thank you Troubadour, over 200 people agree that I don't know what I am talking about. You have shown me the light!

            •  You'll keep repeating the same BS claims (0+ / 0-)

              no matter what anyone says, or what reality is.  USELESS.  Please, consider some day doing something that is of some use to someone.  Right now you're just being a tool to the people you probably, dimwittedly believe you're fighting.

              Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

              by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 12:46:02 AM PDT

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              •  Since you believe Obama is a hero on this issue (1+ / 0-)
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                sign the petition, which urges him to reschedule marijuana. That's within his control and power:

                http://action.firedoglake.com/...

                President Obama can reschedule marijuana without congressional approval.

                Since you claim I am useless why don't you be of use and demand that Obama reschedule marijuana without congressional approval?

                •  I agree it should be rescheduled. (0+ / 0-)

                  There is no scientific or medical basis for it to be Schedule I.  However, I'm not going to demand it in the middle of an election year, and I'm not going to fucking lie and claim he's personally attacking medical marijuana because he's not personally intervening to stop the DEA and its vast network of associated business interests from doing so.  If you've spent more time demanding things from him and accusing him of shit than you've spent campaigning for him, then yes, what you're doing is useless, degenerate, toolish bullshit.  Present your petition to President Romney, asshole.

                  Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

                  by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 02:01:06 AM PDT

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                  •  I guess Raw Story is lying too then? (1+ / 0-)
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                    President Barack Obama’s emphasis on raiding medical marijuana dispensaries drew a rebuke from none other than House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) this week, who warned in a prepared statement that she has “strong concerns” about her political ally’s policy.
                    http://www.rawstory.com/...
                    It seems everyone is lying except you Troubadour. By the way you were banned at least twice from this blog already. You sure you want to start a flame-war and get banned again? Kos also said he doesn't like personal attacks.
                    The first thing to remember when writing a comment is that it is going to be read by other people. Personal attacks are strongly discouraged. If you disagree with what someone is saying, express your disagreement, but don't go directly after the other person. Because tone of voice and facial expressions are lost in online discussions, it's easy for something to be taken the wrong way. Flame wars do nobody any good.
                    http://www.dkosopedia.com/...
                    Calling me an asshole is a personal attack.

                    I can report you to Kos and we will see what he thinks, how about that? If I were you I would chill out!

                    •  When will you stop circularly-citing (0+ / 0-)

                      other people's opinions as evidence of your own?  When will you simply tell the truth?  That's what marijuana issues boil down to - wanting the federal government to reflect the truth.  If you can't hold yourself to a basic standard of fact in the things you say, then what the hell good is anything you say going to be for an issue like this?  You're just acting like another rabid ideologue mindlessly berserking against someone because they're prominent.

                      Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

                      by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 03:35:53 PM PDT

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                      •  I cited everything I said. You did not do the same (0+ / 0-)

                        and wrote some incoherent and ambiguous sentences, without reference or citation to backup your claims.

                        I think we can tell who is lying and who is telling the truth. Hint it ain't me and I have the links to prove it.

                        •  Should say it ain't me lying nt. (0+ / 0-)
                        •  There is zero evidence (0+ / 0-)

                          that the President directly ordered or supports these raids.  Zero, none, zilch.  You simply make the claim without evidence, and cite other people who make the claim without evidence.  Show me a speech, show me an Executive Order, show me a direct appointee of the President who has done so.  Otherwise just admit you're obsessing on him like some stalker.

                          Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

                          by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 07:46:27 PM PDT

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                          •  Here is your evidence with quotes (0+ / 0-)
                            Obama said. "I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana -- and the reason is, because it's against federal law."

                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

                            Which means that he is okay with raids on producers of marijuana.

                            However, President Obama can reschedule marijuana without congressional approval.

                            He had plenty of time to do it and he didn't do so.

                          •  From the article: (0+ / 0-)
                            The president continued: "I can't nullify congressional law. I can't ask the Justice Department to say, 'Ignore completely a federal law that's on the books.' What I can say is, 'Use your prosecutorial discretion and properly prioritize your resources to go after things that are really doing folks damage.' As a consequence, there haven't been prosecutions of users of marijuana for medical purposes."
                            Sounds like he doesn't support making marijuana raids a priority, but won't directly intervene to stop agencies from doing so.  In other words, not what you're claiming.  Usually when you present "proof" of something, it should prove the thing you're claiming, not involve no proof to that effect and significant evidence to the contrary.  Oops.

                            Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

                            by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 08:07:04 PM PDT

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                          •  He is lying! (0+ / 0-)

                            Because,

                            President Barack Obama’s emphasis on raiding medical marijuana dispensaries drew a rebuke from none other than House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) this week, who warned in a prepared statement that she has “strong concerns” about her political ally’s policy.

                            Since President Barack Obama took office, “more than 200″ state-approved medical marijuana facilities have been raided, according to Kris Hermes, spokesperson for Americans for Safe Access (ASA), who spoke to Raw Story on Thursday.
                            http://www.rawstory.com/...

                            and,
                            Obama deliberately led everyone to believe that his DOJ would stop targeting facilities that operated legally under state law. That's why everyone is pissed off that the raids haven't stopped. If I misinterpreted his words, then so did most of the marijuana reform movement, the entire American press, and several state legislatures. When the Obama Administration's pledge to respect state laws was making front-page headlines, they sure as hell didn't speak up to clarify that they'd meant no such thing.
                            http://stopthedrugwar.org/...
                          •  So when you think what he says (0+ / 0-)

                            supports your bigotry, it's proof, and when it contradicts your bigotry, he's lying.  In other words, there is no combination of facts that will stop you from believing as an article of faith that President Obama is an evil, evil scumbag trying to rob cancer patients.  Just go join the Tea Party and stop playing these idiotic games.

                            Our Germans are better zan zeyr Germans.

                            by Troubadour on Sun May 27, 2012 at 08:45:44 PM PDT

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                          •  Nah. I am a liberal in fact a socialist-anarchist (0+ / 0-)

                            I rather have Obama than Romney or any Right Winger for that matter as President, so I think I will stay with the progressive movement.

                            You however, can check yourself out of my diary and don't let the door hit your behind on the way out.

                          •  Here are more lies (0+ / 0-)
                            I don't know how one could fairly characterize this as anything other than complete nonsense. Obama wants credit for stopping the arrests of medical marijuana users, which is just ridiculous on its face. It's not like the federal government was bringing misdemeanor possession cases against sick grandmas until Obama came along. That was never the issue and he knows it.

                            This is a debate about whether the federal government should be stomping on state-regulated medical marijuana programs, thwarting the will of voters, prosecuting responsible providers, and depriving patients of access to their medicine. The President said, "I will not be using justice department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue," and that statement was made in response to repeated questions about whether the Obama Administration would continue the deeply unpopular dispensary raids that began under Bush. Nobody thought he talking about something else.
                            http://stopthedrugwar.org/...

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