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  •  He used the term only when (14+ / 0-)

    the Bishop spoke out against gutting social welfare programs. Up until then everything was fine with DJ.

    •  That context... (11+ / 0-)

      would be nice to have in the diary.  (Update, maybe?)

    •  I couldn't believe the Bishop complained (9+ / 0-)

      when the Republicans they work tirelessly to elect slash social services budgets.

      Bishop? That's your party. Make peace with it. They'll never change.

      "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

      by Scott Wooledge on Sun May 27, 2012 at 06:40:20 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, but they have changed (6+ / 0-)

        and not for the better. The RC church hasn't always been the "Republican church" you see today, and social welfare has always been one of their major charges.

        Over the course of my lifetime, they've been all over the map w/r/t US politics. Catholics were overwhelmingly Democrats, and liberal RC clergy were a major moral force against the Vietnam War and for civil rights, back in the 50's 60's and 70's. It's not like their positions on women's and LGBT rights or choice were any different, but the church was also much less influential on the country as a whole back then, when they were still regarded with deep suspicion by many fundamentalist Christians. And of course their moral authority hadn't yet been vitiated by by the child abuse scandal.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Mon May 28, 2012 at 05:44:22 AM PDT

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        •  yeah. I am aware of the RCC's past (1+ / 0-)
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          I just think now that they have tacked to working for the Republicans they need to recognize it's pointless to lament the cutting of the social safety net. The RCC won't move the GOP on that. The GOP has no interest in helping the poor. They are quite upfront about that.

          "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

          by Scott Wooledge on Mon May 28, 2012 at 01:55:13 PM PDT

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          •  The RCC won't move the GOP, but (1+ / 0-)
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            the opposite may happen. Despite the church's repugnant stances on women's and LGBT rights, there are some issues they have been consistently and stubbornly, um, Christian about, in ways that no evangelical church would be: helping the poor and immigrants, without regard to race or origin, and opposing the death penalty (the flip side of their anti-abortion position) come to mind for starters.

            It's possible that at some point they will realize what a poor fit that makes the GOP for them, and I suppose it's also possible that they won't. The future of the church is plainly in great flux right now, and not even being a Catholic by heritage, I wouldn't try to predict where they might go. Including away, at least in the US and western Europe.

            "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

            by sidnora on Mon May 28, 2012 at 06:11:02 PM PDT

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            •  The Church is ready to flip on support (2+ / 0-)
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              for immigration reform of the proposed inclusion of measures to help LGBT people. They've all but completed their move to the dark side. When the Dems don't toss the gays under the bus for them, I am guessing we'll see the transformation is complete. They'll oppose a bill that does tons of good for many, just to ensure a few don't have their suffering mitigated.

              "When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it." ~ Oscar Wilde

              by Scott Wooledge on Tue May 29, 2012 at 09:39:35 AM PDT

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              •  If that's true, it's very sad. (1+ / 0-)
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                I think they're really lost in North America these days - can't figure out why people are so worked up over their protection of child molesters, can't deal with 98% of RC women ignoring the ban on contraception, can't deal with the rapid growth of acceptance of marriage equality.

                Their work with immigrants has been a bright spot in all this mess, so if they abandon it they've pretty much lost their identity. They're not doing all that well in SA, either, where various pentecostal and evangelical churches have been making inroads based on how out-of-touch the church is with poor people there.

                "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                by sidnora on Tue May 29, 2012 at 04:54:54 PM PDT

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