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  •  Right, Gooserock (6+ / 0-)

    This was a reference the machine he used, his guitar.

    Well, I been around the world, and I've been in the Washington Zoo. And in all my travels, as the facts unravel, I've found this to be true.... ...they don't give a f^ck about anybody else

    by Zwoof on Sun May 27, 2012 at 09:58:22 PM PDT

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    •  Fully aware... (0+ / 0-)

      As a Guthrie fan I'm fully aware. I'm not advocating violence, and neither would Guthrie, I am however an advocate of revolutionary tactics that work, and the Blackbloc works.

      •  "Blackbloc works" (15+ / 0-)

        It works pretty well if the goal is undermining public support and delegitimizing a movement.  Is that the goal?

        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

        by Triscula on Mon May 28, 2012 at 05:56:15 AM PDT

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        •  No. (0+ / 0-)

          That's not the goal. The goal is on the street, that protesters have a defensive barrier against brutal police tactics. I saw police uninstigated hit unmasked smaller women.

          Time and again BlackBloc will be a constant source of dissensus among demonstrators and activists, but it makes for a more dynamic democracy where we remember that dissent is just as valuable as consent in decision making.

          •  What is a "defensive barrier"? (1+ / 0-)
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            And why is the BlackBloc "a constant source of dissensus among demonstrators and activists"?

            •  Black Bloc (0+ / 0-)

              took to the front lines creating a buffer between the non-masked protesters and the police. That's how blackbloc should work.

              BB creates tension across the movement either for or against, but the existence of a BB and the dialogue it creates across the movement shows whether we can really and truly foster a new society from the structures we're attempting to build or whether we'll be just another passing generation too squeamish to really push forward into a restructured order for things.

              •  What I saw in the pictures (1+ / 0-)
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                were cowards in masks blowing cigarette smoke in police officers' faces, and breaking sticks over a cops head after having his helmet knocked off.

                The only dialogue that is created the dialogue of violence and completely hijacks the message the peaceful protesters wanted to convey:

                Carl Gibson/HuffingtonPost:

                The highlight of the historic NATO summit protests in Chicago last weekend was when Veterans for Peace, joined by their families, threw their war medals in the direction of McCormick Place, where NATO generals were meeting, to denounce the senseless violence they committed to earn their medals. The veterans also delivered a flag to the mother of a soldier who committed suicide. An Afghan woman tearfully denounced the war that took the lives of family members. The ceremony was powerful and emotionally-gripping, and showed that members of the military being sent overseas to risk their lives so the 0.1 percent in the military-industrial complex could profit from wasteful contracts and resource exploitation. And it would have been the media's top story and the topic of everyone's conversations if you didn't have to act like a selfish bunch of clowns.

                According to those who were there, you disrespected the veterans by chanting through the Veterans for Peace's call for a moment of silence for lives lost overseas. By starting confrontations with riot police during the ceremony, you deprived veterans and their families their moment of justice for your own selfish need to have all the attention. You didn't stop war, end capitalism, or even get close to the NATO summit. All you did was attract more riot police to an otherwise peaceful event, leading to kettlings, beatings and arrests. Way to go.

      •  In all of your diary (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm not seeing any specifics about "revolutionary tactics that work".

        •  Protection (0+ / 0-)

          Protection is a tactic that works. I doubt the police would have kept their peace no matter who was there. I saw unprovoked attacks, but in any case what's working?

          Unity was tight in Chicago, we were effective, and brilliant and cohesive. We were able to at several points out maneuver the cops and really take the streets effectively, we had a ton of positive response from average citizens in the city, and lots of people hated NATO with us.

          So, as far as spreading a meme and carrying out an idea, it's working. What BB has to do with that is simply defensive ground maneuvers. End of story.

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