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  •  About that McCotter affair (1+ / 0-)
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    TKO333

    The McCotter thing would only connect with my recent experiences if he was done in by professional signature gatherers.  If this was the work of amateurs, all bets are off.

    My recent experience is that I have found myself on several R mailing lists on which I really, really do not belong.  It may not be totally unreasonable to send the low cost mailers on a broadcast basis, to all registered voters, or robocall all RVs, but I've been getting the high-end, high-expense mailers (2-3 oz, with those push-poll type "surveys", with pre-stamped return envelopes), plus calls from live campaign workers.  

    Both these approaches are obviously pitched at SRs, they don't try for persuasion, as if they have me pegged as a U.  

    Pitch aside, no way does it make any sense to mail or phone anything that money or man-hour intensive on a broadcast basis, to all RVs.  It's much cheaper to work a list, even if you have to pay for a list, of people likely to respond to your approach, before you go in with anything that expensive.  

    I clearly do not belong on any good guy list for their team.  I always vote in D primaries, which is a matter of public record in my state.  I am a member of my county's D committee, also public record.  I contribute, and contribute generously relative to my income, solely to D candidates -- which is also public record.

    Any half-way competent mailing operation would work from at least a low-cost, public record list, for at least its high-expense contacts.  The R campaigns sending me these mailers, and having people call me in person, have had clear political malpractice perpetrated on them, and I wonder if maybe the McCotter signature fiasco can be explained the same way, political malpractice by a paid signature-gathering outfit.

    This is all to the good, as long as it happens to their side only.  But that's what's so strange here.  Their side invented this stuff, they invented targeted maling operations.  

    I just put this out to see if others have had similar experiences tending to support the same idea that maybe there is a widespread malpractice "problem" out there, vs my experience being a fluke.

    We should have destroyed the presidency before Obama took office. Too late now.

    by gtomkins on Wed May 30, 2012 at 07:31:11 AM PDT

    •  I would submit that it doesn't matter... (1+ / 0-)
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      the buck stops with McCotter.  Now, if he hired a firm, and they burned him on the signatures, that sucks for him.  But, none the less, he should be held accountable for that.  What happens when he is in office, making judgements that will cost taxpayers millions of dollars, put real lives in jeopardy, reflect upon the image we wish to project to the world?  I am not really surprised that so many candidates in Michigan are under scrutiny, really.  In a state that has repeatedly passed laws violating its citizens constitutional rights under the state administration, I cannot imagine what other kind of political climate you would expect to find.

      •  Fools in office... (0+ / 0-)

        .. are arguably worse than knaves in office, so yes, I agree totally that this speaks very poorly for the guys's fitness to hold office.

        My point was to see if this political malpractice (if that's what this was, and not amateurs in his campaign) is part of a larger pattern including my experience with criminal incompetence in the mailings I've been getting.  Isolated mistakes are one thing, especially if it's just one not very competitive House seat, but the folks I got the mailings from were the RNC and the Koch-funded Walker campaign.  Both can well afford targeting lists, and cannot afford to not target their high-cost mailings.  The Walker mailing had the effect of reminding me to contribute more to his ouster.  You don't jog the memory of people who are solidly against you, even if money were no object.

        We should have destroyed the presidency before Obama took office. Too late now.

        by gtomkins on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:01:35 AM PDT

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        •  I take your point... (0+ / 0-)

          that it could be useful to know the motivations of the people behind the signatures it would yield some useful information.  My guess is, considering the shuffling of the signatures and the people who got them, that this was no innocent mistake...  Ultimately, knowing would still just lead to more questions - like what did the candidate know, and when.  

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