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  •  The recall was over policy disagreements (4+ / 0-)
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    The "bait and switch" fraud was that Walker didn't publicly say they were going to go after the unions when he was elected. It wasn't a secret who his backers were in 2010. What did people expect?

    •  What did people expect? (9+ / 0-)

      The TRUTH!  Is it too much to expect that a politician actually just tell the truth?!  Destroying public employee unions----which is precisely what Walker did----is not a minor thing.  Removing from women in this state the right to sue for equal pay is not a minor thing.  Gutting the education budget for the entire state, including our flagship University of Wisconsin-Madison to the tune of over $1 BILLION is not a minor thing.  Conspiring with ALEC and companies like the one that wanted to destroy the northwestern corner of the state with fracking is NOT a minor thing.  And you are incorrect---most of the voters in this state did not know who Scott Walker's backers actually were because they hid behind Citizens United and the media in this state covered for them as well.  We were aware of money flooding into the state that was paying for utterly scurrilous ads against Tom Barrett but until that guy impersonated David Koch and people got to hear Walker kissing the a** of what he presume actually was David Koch, people didn't believe it.  So I guess we're a bunch of rubes who deserved what we got.  You're wrong.  We did NOT deserve this.  And now I am out of this diary because I am sick and tired of having to explain over and over and over to people on this site who know NOTHING about what went on here why and how Scott Effing Walker got himself elected.

      We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

      by 3goldens on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 09:33:41 AM PDT

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      •  There is a lot of buzz going on about... (4+ / 0-)
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        election fraud in WI right now.  Could be just people making excuses, but it sounds legitimate.

        No one deserves what Walker did, and he should not have won.  I saw that old people outvoted young people, by just about the margin that Walker won by.  

        That won't change the past, but knowing what the problems are will leave us more prepared for the future.

        •  Suzie, don't believe the buzz (2+ / 0-)
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          about election fraud.  I've lived here my entire life and other than Kathleen Nickolaus, the Waukesha County Clerk, and her escapades regarding tallying votes which were exposed for everyone to know about, election fraud is not a common thing in this state.  I've been seeing some rumors here on DailyKos but unless/until there is something a lot more substantial than what has come out thus far, I think people are venturing into Conspiracy Theory territory (making false accusations about something that clearly could not have occurred) and that can get them banned here.  Walker's win was so extensive over Barrett that there would have had to be massive vote-flipping or vote "creation" in order to accomplish that.  This election wasn't even close.  I honestly don't believe that there was anything resembling election fraud.  

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 02:56:07 PM PDT

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        •  buzz - - concern & questions (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't know if you are familiar with
          This guy specializes on election integrity and he had a video on Questions about Wisconsin's Recall Election

          Apparently the problem with Wisconsin elections is that the people vote on paper ballots but machines scans and count the ballots.  These scanners have a history of declaring the loser as the winner.  Coincidence, I don't think so.

          Now that the democrats have control of state assembly, maybe they can take a voting area and count the paper ballots to see how accurate the scanners counted your votes.

          To some generations much is given .......... Of other generations much is expected .......... This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny .......... Franklin Delano Roosevelt

          by Juzzain on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 11:48:35 PM PDT

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          •  Um, no---Democrats have control (0+ / 0-)

            of the State Senate, not the Assembly.  There will not be a meeting of the State Legislature until after the November elections, so there won't be any immediate looking at our voting process.  Finally, I'm familiar with Brad Friedman and his blog and I think he does a fine job in many areas.  But he's in conspiracy territory that the vote was somehow "rigged" for Walker.  I despise Walker with the heat of a thousand suns, but given the huge margin of Walker's win, there is simply no way that there could have been fraud.  It would have necessitated a huge conspiracy to flip votes to Walker OR to "create" votes out of thin air.  It didn't happen and please do not push this kind of stuff here.  It can get you banned.  

            We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

            by 3goldens on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 02:12:07 PM PDT

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