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  •  My initial point (0+ / 0-)

    was and is that recall was unlikely because a core group of voters was opposed to that, though they didn't like Walker. And being aware of that fact (yes a fact) should inform this discussion and how the progressive movement procedes in the future.

    I am happy to engage in a discussion of this point. But if the response is going to be a total dismissal of the merits of this viewpoint, then for me that is a symptom of a problem.

    •  Then your initial point is nonsense (0+ / 0-)

      because the polling data you're referring to comes from exit polling. About 60% disapproved of the recall, about 57% of eligible voters turned out, so at most you can say 34% of eligible voters actually expressed that sentiment. Most of those were probably Republicans as well.

      Of the 43% who didn't turn out, you can pretend they agree with you if want to, but you have zero evidence that that's true. That in fact is the problem. Those 43% are about the same number who didn't turn out in 2010.

      In terms of numbers, about 600,000 voters who voted for Obama in 2008 didn't vote for Barrett in either 2010 or 2012.  Walker got slightly fewer votes than McCain in 2010, slightly more in 2012 (Barrett also beat his 2010 total in 2012). Those numbers make it pretty hard to find the "recall hating" voters you pretend swayed the election, unless you mean Republicans, in which case, who cares?

      What that points to is that Dems have a hard time getting their voters to turn out and vote, which is hardly news. Your explanation for one data point can't even be applied to any other election, and probably isn't even relevant for this one.

      It's never too late to have a happy childhood - Tom Robbins

      by badger on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 12:22:15 PM PDT

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      •  Seriously (1+ / 0-)
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        I am totally respectful toward you and in awe of your commitment.

        Could I ask a little of the same?

        I made zero reference to why those who didn't vote chose not to - I have no idea why you refer to that.

        I do refer to polling I saw which showed that there was a large pool of actual voters who voted for Walker for the reason that they opposed any recall based on political disagreements. Are you disputing this?

        Please make this less personal. I haven't done this. I excuse you for it, but at some point it detracts from the discussion.

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