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  •  Wish I could rec Paleo for this 100 times (6+ / 0-)

    It helps to have been through this crap before.

    Setting aside the economy, there are a lot of similiarities between the Clinton years and the Obama years.

    Crazy contradictory conspiracy theories?  Obama is a secret Muslim with a radical black supremacist Christian minister!  Similarly, Clinton's wife was a lesbian who had an affair with Vince Foster.  Oh, and Foster didn't commit suicide, Bill Clinton murdered him.  And Bill murdered Ron Brown, too.  And when the Oklahoma City bombing happened, even after McVeigh was captured, wingnut talk radio was filled with callers insisting the government did it, it was an inside job, and McVeigh was framed.  If anything, the conspiracy theories now against Obama are less extreme than the ones against Clinton were.

    Even on policy, much of what Obama has done was Clinton's failed or unfinished business.  Clinton wanted a measley $16 billion stimulus for the recession that elected him, and a Congress controlled by his party shot him down completely--not one cent.  Obama got over $800 billion.  Clinton worked health care for much of his first 2 years, and again a Congress of his own party shot him down and gave nothing, nada.  Obama got health care reform, again after a very long fight that consumed a good part of his first 2 years.  Clinton wanted to lift the ban on gays in the military and settled for DADT, Obama actually finished the job.  Also like Clinton, much of Obama's very beginning was satisfying the business of pent up Democratic demand, like a bill to overturn a civil rights Supreme Court decision on racial discrimination in Clinton's case, and similarly Lily Ledbetter for Obama.

    The current GOP House is crazier and more extreme than Newt's first couple years, but Newt's first couple years were plenty crazy and extreme enough.  One frosh Congressman from South Carolina wanted to prohibit the Labor Department from investigating a plant after a workplace death.  Yes, really.  A fellow Republican Congressman who had been around for awhile explained in an interview how he had to talk his new colleague down from that bill.  A couple other Congressmen introduced bills to abolish the Labor Department.  I remember that well, and in fact I've been surprised these past couple years no one has targeted Labor again...Rick Perry even when he remembered his targeted agencies, left us spared.  Oh, and a House committee held a hearing specifically to let crazy right-wing armed private militia members speak in their defense...it was a hearing to justify the militias!  Their favorite was a token black man who was a member of a militia in Ohio......don't ever think Republicans don't practice affirmative action, when they see an opportunity to use a person of color as a shield.

    There are differences now, as I said this GOP House really is crazier and more extreme, and Obama being black has added conservatives' racism as a motive.  But a lot more is the same than anyone realizes.

    44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

    by DCCyclone on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 08:04:06 AM PDT

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    •  Quibbling (0+ / 0-)

      DADT was the compromise that Clinton wanted. The more liberal factions of the party wanted to allow gays to serve openly.

      22, Burkean Post-Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (Taught; B.A. in Political Philosophy/Science), TX-17 (Lived); Left, right, back to the middle... Taste my skittles?

      by wwmiv on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 08:11:36 AM PDT

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      •  No, he didn't want it (4+ / 0-)
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        He announced he was lifting the ban on gays, period.

        Then Congress went apeshit.  All the conservaDems were livid.  Ike Skelton who just lost in 2010 was at the forefront of putting a stop to lifting the ban.

        Public polling was clearly against lifting the ban.  Younger folks here can't realize how much more homophobic society was, it was a big deal that Clinton was doing it.

        Clinton could've held his ground, and my view was once he opened that can of worms, the politically smartest thing to do was to stick with it--he otherwise would end up pissing off all sides, which he did.  Congress was certain to pass a bill through both chambers banning gays, but not with veto-proof majorities, so that was Clinton's path.

        But he then would've been going against both a Congress fully controlled by his own party and also the American people.  But as I said, once he opened the can of worms, he already pissed off everyone to begin with.  But he didn't want to finish the job, believing more peril lay ahead.

        44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 08:32:00 AM PDT

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