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  •  That diary is based on a lie (2+ / 0-)
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    and calling people who are dissatisfied with some of what the resident has done agents of Rove is HRable.  What bullshit.

    There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 05:09:41 PM PDT

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    •  I'm dissatisfied with some of what the president (1+ / 0-)
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      has done or has not done--not much, but some--but I'm not stupid enough to think that carping about it on a progressive blog site is going to accomplish anything.
      And Kos agrees with me.

      Here is where you say, "Oh, so I'm not allowed to criticize the president?"

      Not the point.

      The way to more progressive government is to vote Republicans out of office at every opportunity.  Vote for the Dem you prefer in the primary, and then we work our asses off for our candidate.

      That's just the way it is.

      Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't have time to read DK, so contact him here: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500 (Postcards, not letters! Please give your email address.) -- 202-456-1111 -- FAX: 202-456-2461

      by My Left Behind on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 06:45:01 PM PDT

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    •  You cannot... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...possibly be so naive as to think that everyone at an assembly is authentic. You cannot possibly believe that there are not moles gallore in them.

    •  You don't believe that there are moles here? (0+ / 0-)

      In 2010 a Paul operative poser was outed here.  The link is in my diary.  Thom Hartmann recounts the time he visited the offices of Heritage Foundation and saw rows of interns at computers, busily "scrubbing" Wikipedia.  And that was years ago.
      There are absolutely Rovian moles at work here, and they are happily supplying ammo to the "disaffected liberal" circular firing squad.   And they're getting better at it.
      When what you are doing is exactly in line with Karl Rove's cyber-ops campaign, you need to re-examine what you think is "political activism."
      The Internet was once progressives' greatest tool, for organizing and fundraising and sharing information, but now it is tainted and has become a liability.
      And I don't know what exactly can be done about that.

      Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't have time to read DK, so contact him here: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500 (Postcards, not letters! Please give your email address.) -- 202-456-1111 -- FAX: 202-456-2461

      by My Left Behind on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 10:45:11 PM PDT

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      •  I've pointed people to... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...your diary http://www.dailykos.com/... numerous times before.

        •  That diary is complete bullshit (0+ / 0-)

          And if you think that expressing dissatisfaction with the president is part of the republican plan then you are simply wrong.  The republicans could give a fuck what we think here, they're too busy suppressing the vote so they can steal another election.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 07:31:53 AM PDT

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          •  Bullshit. Peer suggestibility is highly effective (0+ / 0-)

            Cyber-ops on progressive blog sites strikes at the most politically-minded of the Democratic base, and saps enthusiasm to vote, volunteer and donate.
            Relentless buzz-kill from "fellow progressives" is far more believable than paid ads, and Heritage and Crossroads and AFP probably don't even have to pay their interns to do it.
            It's been going on for years, and they're getting better at it.
            http://economistsview.typepad.com/...
            Virtually all progressive sites are hopelessly polluted now.
            And you thought there were a lot of other Kossacks who were dissatisfied with the president.
            Guess again.

            Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't have time to read DK, so contact him here: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500 (Postcards, not letters! Please give your email address.) -- 202-456-1111 -- FAX: 202-456-2461

            by My Left Behind on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 08:12:50 AM PDT

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            •  Solutions (0+ / 0-)

              I very much agree with this and have been arguing the same thing for years as a pretty lonely voice. It's been stunning to me how so many people can take posts at face value when veiled by anonymity.

              The solution is rather simple: Real names authenticated by third party identity verification. If you don't, then your posts get put "under the bleachers" - still viewable, but taking an extra step to see and glaring a disclaimer: "We have no idea who these posters are, and what they're writing about and who they are representing themselves to be may be complete and utter b*llshit."

              I fully realize that solution is problematic in some regards. But I can't think of really any other solution.

            •  You're only seeing half the picture (1+ / 0-)
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              Any effective campaign of disinformation and disruption would have "moles" on both sides of the debate, thus assuring that there could be no resolution, only continued rancor and division.

              An interesting game. The only way to win is not to play.

          •  I have to disagree (0+ / 0-)

            I don't think that there is any doubt that the right engages in disinformation tactics. They did so before the internet was a gleam in some techie's eye and there's no reason to think they've stopped since.

            Of course, one of the goals of such tactics is to get the targeted group to turn on dissenters within its own ranks. So logically you'd have "moles" on both sides of the debate, the better to stir the pot. You'd find them among the heresy hunters as well as the heretics.

            •  The early Watergate gang called it "rat-f_cking" (0+ / 0-)

              Remember John Dean talking about that?  I think they did it at USC or someplace, way back in the day.
              Then there's the Muskie letter, Rove bugging his own candidate's office, and etc., etc.
              I won't say that no one on the left engages in this sort of thing, but I do believe it's far far more prevalent among right-wingers.  Just as is election fraud.  It's what they do.
              I seriously doubt if the DNC or MoveOn or any Dem/left groups are spending money or energy or time on this sort of thing.

              Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't have time to read DK, so contact him here: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500 (Postcards, not letters! Please give your email address.) -- 202-456-1111 -- FAX: 202-456-2461

              by My Left Behind on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 03:51:18 PM PDT

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            •  My bad: It was Segretti, not Dean (0+ / 0-)

              Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't have time to read DK, so contact him here: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500 (Postcards, not letters! Please give your email address.) -- 202-456-1111 -- FAX: 202-456-2461

              by My Left Behind on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:44:14 AM PDT

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        •  Thanks; unfortunately that sort of thing is still (0+ / 0-)

          rampant.  Karl's favorite MO is to strike at his opponent's greatest strength and nullify it, and that's exactly what has been done with progressives' use of the Internet.  It has been almost completely turned against us.
          Obama has accomplished all these progressive advancements:
          http://www.politifact.com/...

          http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/...

          http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...

          against unprecedented obstructionism, and all progressives do is whine that it's not enough.  Unbelievable.

          Unfortunately, President Obama doesn't have time to read DK, so contact him here: The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500 (Postcards, not letters! Please give your email address.) -- 202-456-1111 -- FAX: 202-456-2461

          by My Left Behind on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 08:16:36 AM PDT

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