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  •  Harris did NOT make the case for pre-emptive (11+ / 0-)

    nuking.  He laid out a case for how the world could plausibly descend into a nuclear war due to Muslim extremism, he did not advocate a pre-emptive strike.

    Christopher Hedges is the one full of shit on this issue.

    •  As I recall Harris's chapter on Islam (3+ / 0-)
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      it was pretty weasely and could easily be interpreted as advocating genocide unless Muslims abandoned their faith and became good little atheists like Sam. He is the only "New Atheist" that I don't like.

      •  Well, I categorically disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        with your suggestion, and so does Harris, who in the above link is pretty adamant about what he did and didn't say.

        •  iirc didn't Sam write here for a while? (0+ / 0-)

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 09:29:34 PM PDT

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        •  Harris makes himself clear, I think (2+ / 0-)
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          [from the Harris website page you link to, excerpted from The End of Faith]

          "What will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed at the mere mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear weaponry? If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own"
          Note the vagueness of the qualifier upon which would hang the lives of hundreds of thousands, millions, even tens of millions of innocent people who would be killed in the sort of preemptive nuclear strike Harris suggests might become necessary - "grows dewy-eyed at the mere mention of paradise".

          I find this aspect of Harris' writing to be deeply abhorrent.

          Note, also, the very start of the book - in which Harris suggests that we could reasonably guess the religious faith of a young would-be suicide bomber. Harris never directly says the reasonable conclusion would be that the proper guess would be "Islam", but he insinuates that. Then, in a footnote to that text, Harris notes that the practice of suicide bombing was pioneered, more than anywhere else, in Sri Lanka - a predominantly Buddhist country. This is crucial - Harris' footnote demonstrates that he had to have been quite aware that the conclusion he was leading his readers towards was, in fact, inaccurate.

          •  Sounds A Lot Like the Neo-Con Rants of Hitchens (0+ / 0-)

            Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

            by tikkun on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 12:12:14 PM PDT

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          •  Why do you ignore Harris' own (0+ / 0-)

            commentary on what he said and what he meant, as linked to above?  It is a high order of dishonest hackery to rely on your own selective interpretation of his comments when he's provided rather detailed commentary on what he said.  You could at least respond to his follow up commentary.

            As for suicide bombers, why is it problematic in any way to note the rather indisputable fact that suicide bombing is almost exclusively the province of Muslim extremists these days?  Whether or not the practice might have started with Buddhists in Sri Lanka is rather irrelevant.  Buddhists from Sri Lanka haven't been employing suicide bombing all over the Middle East for the past decade, have they?

    •  Hedges creeps me right out. (0+ / 0-)

      If you wanted a CIA version of a "reasonable Christian" to usurp the dialogue on the left, you'd be looking at his profile. Paranoid, sure. But it gets a lot of laughs down at the barber shop, so I'm sticking with this bit for now.

      I will push back, rise up, and speak out against all forms of discrimination that plague our community.

      by teloPariah on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 07:40:46 AM PDT

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