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  •  it sounds like the (5+ / 0-)
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    motor vehicles linked to the voter rolls. So only people on the voter rolls will get the letter stating that they are not eligible.

    Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) has ordered the state to purge all “non-citizens” from the voting rolls prior to November’s election. But that list compiled by the Scott administration is so riddled with errors that, in Miami-Dade County alone, hundreds of U.S. citizens are being told they are ineligible to vote, ThinkProgress has learned exlusively.
    •  Ah, yes, let's trust Rick Scott!!!! (12+ / 0-)

      I can register to vote (or not) via motor vehicle registration.  I didn't so does that make me a non-citizen?

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      by gchaucer2 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 09:12:42 AM PDT

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      •  again from the analysis link in the diary (1+ / 0-)
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        You can see a similar letter sent to alleged “non-citizens” by the Broward County Supervisor of Elections HERE. (“The Supervisor of Elections… has received information that you are not a citizen of the United States.”) If recipients of the letter do not respond within 30 days — a deadline that is mere days away — they will be summarily removed from the voting rolls.
        So clearly people being sent letters are currently on the voting rolls. And apparently the vast majority do not dispute the ruling. Which suggests that there are thousands of ineligible voters on the rolls.

        Even those being sent the letter in error are being provided with plenty of opportunity to correct the situation.

        I wonder what the results were for all of those followup calls. How many other Boyers did they find?

      •  Did the letter go only to registered voters? (1+ / 0-)
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        I assume it did, otherwise you'd be purging people from a list they weren't on in the first place.  Now then, if 20% of them turn out to be citizens, were the 80% non-citizens?

        Look, you're entitled to say "yes" or "maybe" because it's still a legitimate question whether the state is entitled to purge 5x voters to get x number of ineligible voters off the rolls.  But saying "no" or "you can't even ask" only bolsters Scott's nutty argument that Democrats favor spurious voters.

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        by Rich in PA on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 09:25:50 AM PDT

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        •  The 80% (3+ / 0-)
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          are eligible voters who were successfully purged from the voting list because they didn't read the letter or understand what they needed to do.

        •  Problems with this purge: (7+ / 0-)

          The diary says that the state is using a list culled from moter vehicle records.  That may seem illogical, but the lists used in these purges are often wierd, since an accurate process is not actually the goal.

          One problem with using Dept. of Motor Vehicles records is that many people will have moved since they were issued a driver's license or registered a car. In particular, young people tend to move pretty often, especially when unemployment is high and people are looking for jobs.  This is one of the things the GOP has counted on in "caging" efforts (gathering large numbers of voter names to challenge in Democratic districts).  Often, letters that are sent out to outdated addrsses are not forwarded, even if the envelope says to forward them.  So the voter has no notice at all.  So a person who moved a year ago, and is properly registered in their new district, goes to the polls and finds they have been purged from the state voter lists and can't vote.

          In the purge discussed here, where 20% turned out to be citizens, it's likely that many of the other 80% have not been contacted at all, to see if they really are citizens. Possibly they've moved locally, or moved out of state, or are students only at home part of the year, or are military and statoned abroad, or have changed their name due to marriage/divorce, etc.  Or the address was wrong in the first place.  The lists compiled to be used for voter purges are often slopppily put together.  Review the history of the so called "felon list" that was used to disqualify 7000 black voters in Florida in Bush v Gore, if you want a really outrageous example.  So unless there is follow-up to the letter (attempts at phone contacts, computer searches for name/address matches, etc) many people will never get any notification.  But their name will be on the state list of purged voters come election day.

          Studies have been done in efforts to pin down how many "spurious voters" there are, and the answer is that there are very very few.  No one has documented enough unqualified votes to swing even a local election. There are accusations that it happened in an organized way in Chicago under the elder Boss Daley, 50+ years ago.  But it has not been a documented probelm in any more recent election.  It is a political issue created by Karl Rove in order to justify efforts to suppress the vote of Democratic-leaning demographics.

          Twenty years ago, most areas had some laid-back procedure for updating voter rolls.  They may have been imperfect, but they were adequate, given that fraudulent voting is rare.  The recent massive purges, and development of restrictive rules on ID's etc, do not serve to solve any significant problem -- because there WASN'T a significant problem.  But they do CAUSE problems -- ie the disenfranchisement of significant numbers of qualified voters.

          So, no, I don't favor spurious voters.  But I'd rather have a spurious voter occasionally than have thousands of legitimate voters disqualified by Republicans whose goal is to do exactly that.  

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          by Fiona West on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 10:42:59 AM PDT

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          •  Fiona, I posted before reading your comment. I (1+ / 0-)
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            agree.  Why would anyone register to vote if it could lead to the wrath of Republicans hoping to create the meme of " deport illegal aliens"?  Spurious voting does have a past.  That said, "much ado about nothing" is a Republican tactical move.  It will fail, imho.  

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    •  In Miami-Dade... (0+ / 0-)

      ...it might ensnare a number of Cuban-Americans who vote Republican.  

      Think about that, Tricky Rick...

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      by varro on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:12:15 PM PDT

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