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  •  Again, yes and no... (4+ / 0-)
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    Now fundamentally I agree that Democrats WAY too often start taking on Republican memes, often because they THINK they have to. But fundamentally I think it is wrong to equate the two parties because there are serious fundamental differences between how the two parties even apply the same ideas, plus the Dems have many better economic ideas than the Repubs to start with.

    Your point may well have considerable validity. But that validity is lost when you try to make it sound like Obama = Bush because he DOESN'T.

    On many issues you and I may well agree. But you still alienate me with your rhetoric. And my wife is far more liberal than I am but she despises claims that Bush and Obama (or Bush and Gore, for that matter) are the same. And we are not easily convinced people...we are both scientists and so tend to focus on facts as a living.

    So I guess my main point is to ENCOURAGE the underlying idea you have, but drop the false equivalency completely, and spend some time recognizing the differences as well as the similarities. A good analysis of BOTH the differences and similarities (and the relative successes of each) would be very valuable if done without the gratuitous Obama bashing at a time we need to defeat Republicans across the board.

    Now, if the Dems as a whole don't agree with you (and I could see that point), focus on the Progressive Majority candidates. They are GOOD and they have a reasonable rate of success electing folks.

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

    by mole333 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 12:46:11 PM PDT

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    •  Platforms are different, but I was comparing (0+ / 0-)

      office holders specifically Presidents.

      I agree there are substantial differences within the majorities of both parties. But I see Obama's policies in step with Bush in economic theory and practical agenda which is even more odd given the campaign he ran.

      I don't see a real challenge to conservative orthodoxy vis a vis tax cuts, trade, Wall Street, or inequality.

      •  I do not (1+ / 0-)
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        You say...

        I see Obama's policies in step with Bush in economic theory and practical agenda
        Here is where I disagree with you. I think Obama comes from a VERY different theory but may feel compelled to compromise (the eternal Democratic fault of over compromise).

        I do NOT see Obama's policies in step with Bush. I see them trying to escape from Bush but spending too much time coddling right wingers of both parties.

        Your last sentence:

        I don't see a real challenge to conservative orthodoxy vis a vis tax cuts, trade, Wall Street, or inequality.
        I think a case can be made for that. But that is not at all the same as saying Obama is the same as Bush. My advice is start from the view that Obama IS different from Bush and how we can move from there to challenge conservative orthodoxy. I bet you do better with that approach.

        FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

        by mole333 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 01:16:24 PM PDT

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        •  Fair point. But I take issue with your concept (2+ / 0-)
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          that for my critique it matters whether Obama believes in or doesn't believe in those policies - I'm claiming he is continuing the policies of the Bush administration.

          I think a case can be made for that. But that is not at all the same as saying Obama is the same as Bush
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          Your point, that he might not want to but is forced to by circumstance can be correct and still my point is true. He's continuing Bush policies, whether he wants to or not is irrelevant.

          Though the later point that he shouldn't would be easier if he internally disagreed.

          •  Have to stop (0+ / 0-)

            Sorry...I like these kinds of discussions. But I have to help my son with a project, try to cook something, and also show up at a party in my building because I am on the co-op board, so my evening is pretty much shot.

            Note I never HRed you. I disagreed with you but didn't dismiss you. Unfortunately I have to drop this discussion due to real world stuff, but appreciate your comments in response to my comments.

            FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. I Had A Thought

            by mole333 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:37:23 PM PDT

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