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  •  I didn't say it wasn't here now (0+ / 0-)

    I said even babies born right now will not bear the brunt of climate change.  Sure, they will be affected by climate change, many of them severely, but they will not suffer its worst effects.  Understand?

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 01:13:02 PM PDT

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    •  "economic impacts are far off in the future" (2+ / 0-)
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      the economic impacts of climate change are here now.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 02:40:39 PM PDT

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      •  And they are (0+ / 0-)

        At this point the economic impact of global warming is subtle.  It's very difficult to ascertain exactly how the economy is affected by global warming.

        In a couple of generations it won't be so difficult.  

        Understand?  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 11:03:38 PM PDT

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        •  Nothing subtle or remote about an 80% decrease (0+ / 0-)

          Just saw this in today's Boston Globe:

          Sediment stirred by increased rainfall in New England over recent years is threatening the marine food chain in the Gulf of Maine, scientists said.
          The Gulf of Maine is a really important fishery. Feeds lots of people and a major source of employment in Maine and Massachusetts.
          In a study published this month in the Marine Ecology Progress Series, the scientists documented a five-fold decline in the growth rate of phytoplankton, the single-celled plants that support life throughout the region’s waters, including everything from lobster to cod.
          The cause? Increased runoff from heavy rains in the past five years, i.e., climate change.

          Elizabeth Warren, yes the Elizabeth Warren, speaks passionately about the need to protect fishermen's livelihoods from stringent catch limits (to prevent overfishing), but not a peep from her about protecting against the threat of climate change. Of course, the fishermen don't want to hear it -- neither do I -- but I'll bet they would respect it.

          Lawrence Lewis is right.

          Since plague became in this way some men's duty, it revealed itself as what it really was; that is the concern of all. --Albert Camus

          by Neighbor2 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:57:19 AM PDT

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          •  Annual precipitation in Maine has been declining (0+ / 0-)

            for more than a century:

            http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/...

            Where are we, now that we need us most?

            by Frank Knarf on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 12:56:59 PM PDT

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            •  But not in the past 5 years. (0+ / 0-)
              About 4.5 feet of rain fell over those years on average, about a foot more than the average annual rainfall over the past century, and the scientists attributed the increase to climate change
              Your NOAA link doesn't provide plots, so I don't know where you got your information.

              Since plague became in this way some men's duty, it revealed itself as what it really was; that is the concern of all. --Albert Camus

              by Neighbor2 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:39:00 PM PDT

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            •  The NOAA data are clear (0+ / 0-)

              The past 5 years were far above the trend and the wettest since records began. This is consistent with the figures cited in the Globe article.

              Erosion and dispersal of sediments are caused by actual rainfall, not trends, and it's been very high for several years.

              Since plague became in this way some men's duty, it revealed itself as what it really was; that is the concern of all. --Albert Camus

              by Neighbor2 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:11:05 PM PDT

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