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  •  The notion that we want an uneducated, (6+ / 0-)

    criminal underclass is preposterous.  Giant fail.

    •  then why has public policy militated towards (2+ / 0-)
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      this outcome?  

    •  Perhaps, but you can't deny there is a tiered (1+ / 0-)
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      structure to the education system in the country.

      The thing is, the lower tier is expanding rabidly into the middle tier as budgets are slashed. And yet somehow those proposing more and more slashing keep getting elected.

      W. T. F. ?

      Romney - his fingernails have never been anything but manicured.

      by Pescadero Bill on Mon Jun 04, 2012 at 07:04:33 AM PDT

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    •  Agreed, but the notion that a compliant... (1+ / 0-)
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      underclass can serve the needs of the elite, including providing soldiers for our volunteer army, I think is consistent with an economy that has been featuring more low-paying jobs that IMO contribute to a protection of privilege.

      Cooper Zale Los Angeles

      by leftyparent on Mon Jun 04, 2012 at 07:12:53 AM PDT

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      •  But this underclass is not... (1+ / 0-)
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        They don't show up for work, they take drugs, they commit crimes, they steal copper pipes out of vacant houses.

        I think that everybody understands the problem with bad schools. Everybody wants to solve it. But no single group has a strong enough incentive to do so:

        1) The teachers could make education better by accepting cuts in work rules and benefits. But they aren't paid that much to begin with, so they refuse to do so. Also, they know that if they give in this year, they will only be asked to give more next year.

        2) Suburban taxpayers could pay more in taxes to fund more and better teachers -- but they already have nice schools, so there is nothing in it for them. Besides, the money spent on taxes to school brown kids could be spent on music lessons for their their blonde kids. Not a hard choice!

        3) Parents could throw their TV set into the trash and teach their kids at home. But homeschooling requires educated parents who have time on their hands. Single mothers generally fit neither description. In fact, very few parents do.

        4) The corporations and the 1% are scared witless that they wil be stuck with a nation of dumb workers who can't produce and broke-poor customers who can't buy. But they don't trust the teachers, so any money they cough up is wrapped in free-market ideology (vouchers, charters, etc.)

        Our education system is bad not because of any conspiracy. Who benefits from jailing tens of thousands of mean-eyed 19 year olds each year? Nobody (except maybe the prison owner).

        It is a tragedy of the commons. Every interest group needs to give a little for a solution to work.

        •  Maybe partially compliant... (0+ / 0-)

          the goals of their tier three public schools would be to make them as compliant as possible, failing to somehow move them into the tier two category or transferring them to a tier two school.

          I like your breakout of the different school stakeholders and their agendas, though I would add the students as another stakeholder category with a unique take and a unique impact on the process.

          So addressing your breakdown...

          1. Teachers - Could make ed better IMO by demanding more control of their school and its decision-making apparatus including curriculum and educational methodology.

          2. Taxpayers - Might be motivated to pay more in taxes if there was more local community involvement (including by teachers taking more control in item 1).

          3. Parents - Can work with their kids to take more ownership of the kids learning process which might involve more activity outside of school and either full-time, part-time or no school attendance.

          4. Corporations & 1% - Are taken out of their dominant role in managing the public education process but continue to support campaigns to encourage careers in growing fields (like science).

          5. Students - Are expected to play more of a role calling the shots of their own education which is not assumed to be cookie-cutter and like everyone else's, but a unique mix of learning assets and venues for their unique needs.

          I would say our ed system suffers from the path of least resistance around centralization, standardization and regimentation that worked for a control model in the 19th and 20th century, but is keeping it from evolving in the 21st.

          Cooper Zale Los Angeles

          by leftyparent on Mon Jun 04, 2012 at 11:37:42 AM PDT

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    •  Define "we". If you mean "We 1 percenters", (0+ / 0-)

      then absolutely. America's 1% doesn't want to spend one nickel of their treasure hoard educating 'those kinds of people'. They'd much rather build more prisons.

      •  Horace Mann was part of the 1%... (0+ / 0-)

        and I think he and fellow elite folks had a vested interest, worth paying for, in maintaining the primacy of Protestant values and elite control of the political process through compulsory standardized public schools.  I would think their would be some sort of comparable stake today.

        Cooper Zale Los Angeles

        by leftyparent on Mon Jun 04, 2012 at 11:41:52 AM PDT

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        •  Back then even the wealthy had to rub shoulders... (1+ / 0-)
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          with the great unwashed; everyone travelled by train, and the need to employ the 99% in one's factories was obvious.

          Today's 1%-ers just move piles of money around electronically. They could do that from the moon. They feel no connection whatsoever with the rest of us.

          •  You may be right!... (0+ / 0-)

            The pools of workers and growing markets these days are in other parts of the world.  What happens to U.S. workers and consumers may not be as significant as it once was.

            But we still are voters so they cannot distance themselves completely!

            Cooper Zale Los Angeles

            by leftyparent on Mon Jun 04, 2012 at 01:21:48 PM PDT

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