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  •  Yes. Absolutely. (11+ / 0-)

    Despite Romney, Brown and Brooke. For anyone who has ever lived there its blueness is very well known.

    But there remains a very strong streak of contrarian behavior. I swear that Republicans sometimes get elected just because everyone else in the country thinks they should not. Coakely was "supposed" to be elected, so the voters gave the rest of the country the finger and elected Brown. Just because.

    •  Yes it does, and Jeebus on Ed Brooke (6+ / 0-)
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      Talk about those that would not be Repubs today.  Ed Brooke was pro-choice, authored the Fair Housing Act, fought against Nixon to keep the Job Corps, fought against Nixon on weakening the EEOC and led the efforts to block 2 right-wing Supreme Court nominees.
      In 1975, he led efforts to keep the Voting Rights Act intact, as well as Title IX.

      I would probably also put William Weld in this category.

      I don't know, the whole Weld - Celluci/Swift - Romney thing.  I would mostly characterize it as coming from infighting among Democrats.  Belotti was the convention winner in 1990 against Weld, but then some of the other candidates threw their support to John Silber (who was last at the convention) out of spite, so Silber won the primary.  He was an arrogant asshole who turned off everyone.  

      Same thing happened with Celluci - Atty General Harshbarger won the primary for the Dems, but the other 2 candidates McGovern and Donnelly had about 1/2 the vote combined, and they did nothing to support Harshbarger.

      Same thing again with Mittens - 5 way primary for Dem, including Robert Reich (who, having pissed off Clinton with his book, didn't even get Clinton's support).  Treasurer Shannon O'Brien won, but again had no support from the other candidates' backers, and took a hit from the fact that the state lost big $$ in the tech stock meltdown in 2000

      Dems in MA need to stop the squabbling and coalesce around the candidate.

      Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

      by absdoggy on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 08:51:39 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        That's historical detail I wouldn't have a clue about.  Your conclusion seems reasonable,

        Dems in MA need to stop the squabbling and coalesce around the candidate.
        but, would that go against their DNA?  :-)

        I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

        by tle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:50:23 AM PDT

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    •  It's not contrarian. (3+ / 0-)
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      MichaelNY, caul, tle

      The MA state Democratic party is viewed as corrupted. Not actually on the take, but beholden to entrenched interests. Machine politics. The Bulger Brothers.

      That is how Coakley got nominated in the first place.

      But when presented with a Better Democrat (like Warren) I think we can rely on MA to do the right thing.

      •  I hope so. (1+ / 0-)
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        MichaelNY

        Your comment is the most encouraging one I've read yet.  With such overwhelming dominance, it's hard for a group to not be corrupt.  In this case, I think it's the reverse;  Brown, as the hatchet man for the banks, is, IMO, deeply corrupt, while Warren is as close to squeaky clean as anyone is likely to get.  Which is no doubt why the puppet masters hate her so much.

        I just wish she would stop being so scripted in interviews.  

        I am become Man, the destroyer of worlds

        by tle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:42:06 AM PDT

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