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  •  my family is the same way (2+ / 0-)
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    the way it was explained to me is that they do know they are voting against their own best interest but they believe that they are voting for a financially stable future for their children and grandchildren. They just never mention that all this really requires their children and grandchildren to make the same sacrifice their own.

    •  People intentionally voting vs. own interests (11+ / 0-)

      I heard an interesting perspective from a caller into Randi Rhodes' show last week--he was saying many conservative voters (particularly religious conservative voters) know they are voting against their own economic interests, but that doesn't phase them. They believe their reward will be in Heaven if only they vote for those God-fearing Republicans and against those gay-loving, fetus-killing Democrats. :-/

      Seen on Facebook: "Rich people are not the cause of a robust economy, they are the result of a robust economy."

      by boofdah on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 07:35:39 PM PDT

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      •  it's not social in my family (3+ / 0-)
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        it's economic. they see conservative as being economically stable in the long term even if it is unkind to those who can't do for themselves.

      •  Whose "own interests"? (0+ / 0-)

        Please tell me what kind of an argument you are going to make to a low-wage non-union worker in the private sector who doesn't get a pension (i.e. most Wisconsin voters) why they should vote in the interest of public employees who are in a union and do get a pension.

        For the sake of argument, there may well be such an argument, but try making it to these people. They will not want to hear it. It's in their best interest to see that workers maintain collective bargaining when they themselves don't get it?

        This election was lost on this question. Progressives are going to have to figure out how to handle this kind of question in the future.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 07:55:15 PM PDT

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        •  well, (7+ / 0-)

          hurting other people out of spite does not serve my interests, even if they're getting paid almost as much as I am.

          Oooh, look, a shiny thing -- a PENSION!  Even if his total compensation is about the same as mine, I should resent the fact that part of his compensation comes in the form of a PENSION!

          Ignore the shiny objects, look at the fact that the economy grows under Democrats and stagnates under conservatives. Liberal policies create the kind of economic growth that makes everyone better off.

          all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

          by happymisanthropy on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:20:05 PM PDT

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        •  okay (4+ / 0-)
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          because that teacher who has a good  job will help you in many ways

          1) educating your children
          2) paying taxes in your community
          3) owning and maintaining property
          4) shopping at local stores, hiring local contractors

          generally adding to the tax revenues and commercial activity of your community in too many ways to count

          for full impact, spelling out what the other guys plan to do is important too

          1) no pensions
          2) no healthcare
          3) no post office
          4) no public records of mortgages
          5) no clean water, air or soil

          generally looting your town and turning you and your descendents into illiterate debt serfs dumpster diving for carcinogen-rich leftovers

          It is the highest impertinence ... in kings and ministers, to pretend to watch over the economy of private people, ... They are themselves always, and without any exception, the greatest spendthrifts in the society. - Adam Smith

          by treesrock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:57:22 AM PDT

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        •  Union wages have always propped up (2+ / 0-)
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          other wages.  It's not at all complicated.

          David Koch is fucking Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

          by PsychoSavannah on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:58:40 AM PDT

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