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  •  What I REALLY don't understand (5+ / 0-)

    is why so many people here don't understand these people, and that they're human sheep. One of the biggest weaknesses of the left is that we place way too much faith in reason and human goodness and judgement. Most people are idiots who need guidance and are lost without it. Why can't we give them that guidance instead of the other side? Someone's going to.

    Hey, look, idiot, see here, social welfare good, free market bad, fair taxes good, tax cuts for the rich bad. Have a cookie, good boy!

    Seriously, reality isn't that far from this!

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:32:38 PM PDT

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    •  The Republicans are better at telling them (5+ / 0-)

      what they want to hear. Emotionally satisfying pap that "feels good". That was 100% Reagan: all rhetoric, no reality.

      Progressives tell people what they need to hear, and unfortunately, that's depressing.

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        I think it's deeper than that. That is, there are people who don't really believe in anything and thus will follow the latest bright shiny object that comes along (a lot of them voted for Clinton, them Bush, then Obama). But there are also people who deeply believe in the sorts of things that the GOP is selling these days, and the GOP knows this and is playing them for it. I.e. that whole god, guns and gays crap. The GOP is singing their song, while Dems are still stuck on facts, logic and reality--i.e. stuff most people don't relate to.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:15:37 PM PDT

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    •  Driftglass refers to them as (1+ / 0-)
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      infinitely reprogrammable bots.

      Today - the sky is blue - okay!
      Tomorrow - the sky is green - okay!

      yeah. it makes me laugh.
      plus, I kind of agree with you

      problem is, how do we talk productively w/them?
      because, if we have contempt for them it shows
      which makes them hate us
      which would make me hate us if I were them

      I think without some spark of ... oh, you fill in the blank ... empathy, compassion, fellow-feeling - no one ever listens to anyone

      wasn't there some old line in scripture about how 'without love you are as a sounding brass' or some other thing clanging pointlessly away to no effect

      It is the highest impertinence ... in kings and ministers, to pretend to watch over the economy of private people, ... They are themselves always, and without any exception, the greatest spendthrifts in the society. - Adam Smith

      by treesrock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:35:52 AM PDT

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