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  •  I'm old (60) and white, but could never see (6+ / 0-)

    myself agreeing with those people. I'd probably end up avoiding any long conversations.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 10:03:01 PM PDT

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    •  You would probably (1+ / 0-)
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      choose not to live where they do. ;-)

      •  Actually I do live in a very (2+ / 0-)
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        red area. I was amazed, during the 2008 election to discover how many Democrats/progressives there were in the area. We all live in stealth mode usually, although we know the others are out there now.

        As in the national dialogue, the Republicans dominate the discourse. Just yesterday I saw a letter to the editor of the big city paper complaining that Paul Krugman is "worse than a leftist." This is how they suppress other voices. It was a similar letter several years back that cause the paper to drop Molly Ivans' column a couple of years before she died.

        And beyond Republicans, we have a healthy cohort of Tea Partiers who fly the Gadsden flag. Our Republican US Representative is being primaried from the right by a Tea Partier. Our state representative has introduced legislation that has been decried here on DKos.

        I used to try to talk sense to these people. It does no good, because many TV screens in public as well as in private homes are tuned to Roger Ailes' very effective propaganda organ, FOX "news" or (just as bad) CNN. Their emotions have been engaged and their cerebral cortex held hostage by fear and hate.

        They can't convince me to "go crazy" and I can't convince them to go sane. We ended up in this area because my husband was in the military and we owned a house here. I'd like to move to a blue state, but we're retired and property values suck thanks to the banksters.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:21:47 AM PDT

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        •  this is an argument that (0+ / 0-)

          many made back in the 60's... this is not new.  Voting against your self interest has always been a problem with electoral politics. Rich people and their media can easily set the tone to get folks to vote against their interests. This is why some people perceive the end of democracy.  But that is only electoral politics. And democracy seems only to be defined here at DKOS as a voting for elected officials thing.  Where we need democracy first is the work place... economic democracy.  Voting is the big thing here and I understand that but you will never legislate democracy.  Those kind of rights will continue to be won in the streets.  The mistake in Wisconsin was to take all that frustration against Republicans into the voting booth and not into the workplace. By throwing your lot into the electoral frame, you buy into the Citizens United Crowd's thinking.  Money buys elections... we always knew that.

          Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

          by john from vermont on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:39:34 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not sure what you mean, jfv. Taking their (0+ / 0-)

            frustrations into the workplace after being stripped of their union rights would be very hard. And as they are public employees they are employees of the government, so I would think elections matter. Perhaps you suggest that working in public service is a bad idea?

            Maybe you could provide and example of how teacher, police and firefighters can take their fight into the workplace.

            "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

            by Lily O Lady on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:09:43 AM PDT

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