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    my last generic contribution to this conversation.

    My favorite definition of disinformation -

    the systematic creation and dissemination of false narratives ... aimed at constructing an entire alternative reality -- one in which the truth can find no foothold because it conflicts not just with a specific falsehood, but with the entire fabric of the false reality that has been created
    to me, that explains why our family members, especially the older ones, resist hearing anything from us

    if they agree with even one of our positions, it means they must question their entire belief structure

    also, if we mean to fight this, then we need to figure out how to counter disinformation, because every frustrated comment in this conversation shows how impossible it is to get through one issue at a time

    and finally, here's a taste of someone who actually IS finding connections with conservatives

    http://www.angrybearblog.com/...

    The article Roth links to is in (drumroll) The American Conservative and, I kid you not, it would not be out of place if it were published in the Nation.  Really.

    Here's the link to that one -
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/...

    And here is my favorite passage from that article

    Sweden is among the cleanest societies in Europe, while Sicily is perhaps the most corrupt. But suppose a large clan of ruthless Sicilian Mafiosi moved to Sweden and somehow managed to gain control of its government. On a day-to-day basis, little would change, with Swedish traffic policemen and building inspectors performing their duties with the same sort of incorruptible efficiency as before, and I suspect that Sweden’s Transparency International rankings would scarcely decline.
    I think that last description describes the U.S. right now.  It also might explain why our right-wing relations still think everything is okay.  Me and everyone else I know who still has a job, go to work every day and keep things running smoothly despite our increasingly inept superiors who do more and more every day to trip us up.  So yeah, from the outside, things look normal.

    It is the highest impertinence ... in kings and ministers, to pretend to watch over the economy of private people, ... They are themselves always, and without any exception, the greatest spendthrifts in the society. - Adam Smith

    by treesrock on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:33:04 AM PDT

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