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  •  I don't know who around here (26+ / 0-)

    is under any illusion that the GOP will play nice. They aren't nice, and they don't play that way. I just hope the Obama campaign, and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, figure that out but quick.

    "The pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handles." Subterranean Homesick Blues, Bob Dylan

    by psnyder on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 08:15:31 PM PDT

    •  You must play to win EVERY time (26+ / 0-)

      Michael Jordan once said that "we can only win one championship this year". He meant that you get the best players on the floor - right here, right now. (He got Dennis freakin' Rodman on the team from the hated Detroit Pistons so the Bulls could win).

      The Dems, and perhaps most importantly, President Obama needs to understand - no loss is trivial. While the Republicans were carting in bus-loads of heavy hitters and fists full of money, the DNC treated this as simply a local election. It wasn't.

      This election can (and probably will) have national implications for the labor unions, political contributions and momentum going into the fall.During a 2007 campaign speech in Spartanburg, South Carolina, then-Senator Obama told supporters he would fight for collective bargaining rights if he was elected president.

      “And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself. I’ll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States.”

      Where was he? On twitter?

      He is the holder of the highest office in the world with all that implies. Two or three appearances may have tipped the balance. Maybe it wouldn't have - but the problem is that we'll never know. Power unused is power unenjoyed.

      •  Dems don't play to win (8+ / 0-)

        Some may play to win their elections. But they don't as a unit play to win & exercise power.

        An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

        by mightymouse on Tue Jun 05, 2012 at 09:17:17 PM PDT

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      •  Without intending to, I think Paul Krugman (11+ / 0-)

        identified a major problem behind tonight’s defeat when he said, "I'd like to win for once."

        No one wants to support a losing party. We have to start winning or the Democratic party will be in shambles after November.

        Under the current leadership, we have lost too many battles, and we have conceded too many great social programs (that many people fought and died for) to the republicans. The party base is discouraged and we have good reason to be angry.

        Case in point: Nancy Pelosi's latest offer to make cuts to Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare is not a winning policy. If the Democrats agree to make those cuts, then they can expect a big drop in support from people my age.

        Kos admonished us to wait until Obama is re-elected before criticizing the President’s policies, but one common theme I see cropping up in the comment sections of many progressive blogs is that there is no reason to get excited about the 2012 election because Obama, if re-elected, will make cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid...he will approve the Keystone pipeline project...he will appoint more Wall Street insiders to fill vacancies (see the latest report on how he offered the World banking position to Bloomberg)...he will shut out progressives when he makes policy decisions...he will continue building on Bush's efforts to dismantle our personal liberties....he will ignore the economists who have been right (Paul Krugman, et al)…and as many on this site have pointed out (and has been demonstrated during this recall effort), he will abandon us when we need him the most…

        ….no matter what he says during his campaign speeches.

        In other words, if we wait until he is re-elected, then we can expect to be ignored again, and if we wait until he is sworn in again, then we will have zero chances of bringing about change.

        There are a lot of Progressives who look at his policies and say, “those aren’t Democratic values – those are G.W. Bush policies.

        Is that really a winning strategy?

        We’re going to continue to lose until we pull together and apply pressure to this administration to fight as hard as we do to defeat the Republicans, and that can’t be accomplished if we continue to ignore the elephant in the room. Many of us sacrificed a lot to get this President elected and now we feel betrayed.

        If we lose in November, the consequences will be long term, and no one on this site wants to see a Republican elected to the White House.

        •  We can't pull a win out of Obama who from the (4+ / 0-)

          beginning decided that he was the only one who mattered.  He told us progressives to shut up.  He didn't need us because we would vote for him in the end because who else did we have.  Obama has worked with the GOP and not with the progressive caucus. Rather than put dems in his cabinet he has filled it with too many GOP.  Obama has set the strategy despite what he campaigned on.  

          don't blame us .... what did the dems in power do to curb the GOP?  Where are any executive orders?  Why didn't Obama fight when he had a chance?  

          Obama had the OFA that he let go out of buiness because the Dems in power did not want obama using the OFA to keep the dems in line.  

          Many of us don't have the money to help if we wanted to because Obama rewarded the banks, refused to prosecute anyone, has done policies that progressives hate, didn't do a big enough stimulus so too many people are destitute.  Thus we the people are expected to help feed the hungry because 80,000 factories were allowed to go overseas. That should have been the second piece of legislation after lilly ledbetter....to stop paying corporations to take their factories overseas.

          Obama just kept cutting off the people who did not fit into what he wanted and now who is left?  Why aren't big Dem contributors opening their wallets?  Because they are businessmen and want to see the EPA regulations gone, BANK regulations gone, lower wages, austerity on the masses, just like the GOP wants.  don't blame us - it is the dems in power that let this happen.  if Obama can't and won't stand up to the House and Senate - why are we expected to?

          Obama has worn a lot of us completely out!  Some of us have been helping with the fights in Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan.  When do we get a breather?  Or at least some help from DC?

      •  All Elections are National Elections (3+ / 0-)
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        Odysseus, psnyder, Midwesterners

        under the current rules, and must be treated as such.

        •  Winning and losing is contagious. (0+ / 0-)

          Every time you win an election you liven your base. Each loss discourages it.

          Every time the Republicans win an election they suck in more voters, money, and enthusiasm. The young, in particular, are swayed by apparent strength (and weakness). As candidate Obama became more likely to win in '08, his popularity with the 18 - 24's (already strong) exploded.

          I don't believe this demographic is likely to move over to Romney, however, if they turn out in lower numbers - it can hurt a lot in November.

    •  I think they've figured things out a long time ago (4+ / 0-)

      and are comfortable with the status quo.

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