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  •  I'd say it was much more the former... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... than the latter.

    The exit polling made it clear that Wisconsinites as a whole really don't embrace the recall process. That, plus the GOP change in the law that prevented college students who had just moved home for the summer from registering there if they were already registered at the college, made the difference between Governor John Doe keeping his position and losing it.

    Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright, April 2008:
    BO: ‘You know what your problem is?’
    JW: ‘What is that?’
    BO: ‘You have to tell the truth.’
    JW: ‘That’s a good problem. That’s a good problem.’

    by tbetz on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 08:35:10 AM PDT

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    •  Recall legitimacy needed to be part of the message (5+ / 0-)

      We're falling flat on messaging.

      •  No money to message. (4+ / 0-)

        That is the problem.

      •  Exactly! Otherwise why would Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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        vote for Scott Walker but say they strongly support Obama and will vote for him.  ??  

        As Gov Dean said that today, there has been something going on for that to happen.

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        by wishingwell on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:57:07 AM PDT

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        •  recall purists (5+ / 0-)

          I just dont get those people.   They will vote for a neo fascist like Scott Walker because they oppose recalls on "principle."  Well what I oppose on principle is union busting, of setting one group of the workers against the other, of raping public lands for the Koch brother's benefits, for drastically cutting education in order to give tax cuts to billionaires.  What I oppose on "principle" is defaming hard-working teachers, nurses, city workers, and other ordinary people, and resenting those who have decent medical and pension plans, and applauding a fascist governor who tries to take them away from those that have it, because you dont have it.  

          That is really "class envy", setting one side of the middle and working class against the other.  Instead of resenting the plutocrats who wont give you a decent wage or pension, its easier to resent your county worker down the street whose in a union which fought for those benefits for years.

          Im sorry but I dont have any sympathy for recall purists, nor do I have much respect for the people of Wisconsin whe fell for corporate propaganda at best, or are guilty of just plain hate of their neighbors at the worse.

          Im not in the mood for any of this rah rah stuff today.  A very ugly man was just re-elected, and very evil forces won the day.  Im sorry Im not in the mood to celebrate our "victory."

          •  Bravo , I agree, It makes me angry at those who (4+ / 0-)

            would not approve of the job Walker is doing but voting for him because they do not approve of recall elections.

            I think there are some anti union folks out there who do not normally vote for Repubs, some anti union Democrats and that pisses me off.  We see that around here and we realized they are jealous of the good pay and benefits of union workers and hate teachers.

            One woman justified it by saying that she does not approve of teacher tenure as it is too hard to get rid of bad teachers.  And she says she is tired of being losing jobs but teachers and union workers never seem to lose their jobs.

            It is a lot of jealousy.

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            by wishingwell on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:28:06 PM PDT

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    •  Yes Howard Dean was saying that because he said (3+ / 0-)
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      if 18 pct of Walker voters are Obama supporters , that tells me that some of them simply did not approve of recall elections or have other agenda that must pertain only to Wisconsin and Recall elections.

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      by wishingwell on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 10:55:57 AM PDT

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    •  Not Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      The people of Wisconsin voted roughly the same as they did last time.  There were fewwer third party candidates this time and they went to Walker.  Barrett got roughly the same vote as before.
      Walker's vote total were really fairly low.  For a Republican in an off-year election with no significant third party the norm is higher.  In fact the 40+ million did not appear to help him much.
      Secondly, the Wisconsin Democrats really need to expand their base.  Voters vote for their reasons not ours.  The showing in the Hinterlands was terrible.
      Finally, never use the term union.  Their real target is "working people".  The Unions grew to power because they represented "working people"  and they were trying to help the "workers"

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