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  •  If you are going to take a shot at the king (9+ / 0-)

    Don't miss.  

    Wisconsin or Syria.  Real or metaphorically.

    And never march without your forces consolidated...pretending that "this is just local".

    Lots of blame to go around, and as much as I like the message, the reality is that a blueprint has been laid down in Wis Ohio and Indiana...and it will be executed.  I am not sure organization is the answer.   Things seemed pretty organized to me in Wis.   yet the majority of wisconsinites decided that collective bargaining was not worthy of their vote and the guy that threw it out was.    The Democratic party across the nation decided this wasn't a fight worth their time or
    Or money across multiple states. Unions decided that the lgbt strategy of no compromise was to divisive and continue to allow themselves to be taken for granted.  

    Now we can discuss if that was a reasonable strategy, but the message and decisions were clear.  So now we need to determine if this is acceptable.  I believe only an all ou campaign for labor and it's value will have any impact.  Otherwise, divide and conquer us a legit strategy and will continue to work.  Leadership is required. It currently is not present at unions or their chosen political party.  

    History has been forgotten and is repeating itself. When will someone step up and stop the bleeding.

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 01:58:51 PM PDT

    •  And yes, this was a reality check. (6+ / 0-)

      My point isn't give up hope.  It is the current plan is fatally flawed, and kumbaya-tried harder next time is not acceptable.  Republicans are on the brink of returning totally from the brink of extinction due to some very clear ruinous decisions by specific players on the other side and a take no prisoners approach (telegraphed by the way).   More than more and better organization is require at this point.   Someone has to be willing to put the cards on the table.    Now is the time for a post action review,  not an attaboy.  That is what leaders demand.

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 02:06:22 PM PDT

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    •  Walker had been so radical there was nothing (0+ / 0-)

      to lose by taking a shot with a recall. You're being beat up, do something, don't just sit there and take it.

      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 06:53:49 PM PDT

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    •  Democrats Live In Loserville (1+ / 0-)
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      Justmy2, your thread title and first three sentences say everything about a recall.

      This is a GBCW post from somebody who used to read DailyKos every day. Lately, I've been surfing here occasionally--every time I do, there are at least 3-4 photos and analyses of Romney. Yeah, I know it's the politics of destruction, and according to some marketing types with Ivy-League degrees, it's the right political move.

      Apparently, though, neither the owner nor the feature writers have run across this pertinent bon mot by Oscar Wilde:

      "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."

      It seems too many Dems--including the impotent owner of this site and his minions--have taken on the president's strategy: I've made it, so let me ensure that I continue to make it. The rest? Fuck them. They rock the boat too much. Hey, let's pretend to be Republicans--that'll confuse the voters and they'll love us...and anybody trying to kick up the status-quo dust? Jesus, what are they doing? Just ignore them...ignore them...voters hate it when you cause controversy...ignore the troublemakers...good, now they're let's work on those Republican the voters will love us...

      This is a disastrous day. Wisconsinites got enough petitions for a re-call...and then lost the re-call. How many times has that happened on any local, state, or fed level?

      I haven't seen and experienced this level of nationally significant incompetence...ever.

      Say what you will about the McGovern least it's an ethos.

      Jesus, even Gray Davis--who didn't even commit any illegalities--got recalled...for being a alleged Democrat, that is, because he's nothing Roosevelt or Truman would recognize. He wasn't a Democrat--more like the pseudo-Dem neoliberal variety that Obama is--and he got his ass handed to him. Californians hated him...because he was middle-of-the-right-wing-road, and he proved (along with ample help from a neoliberal state assembly) that he was diligent and efficient about getting hoodwinked into an energy crisis by a rigged stock market and an energy provider so corrupt that it couldn't avoid federal prosecution--in an age that makes the oversight of the 1870s look like a Stalinist NKVD pet project.

      How fucking lame can this party get? Seriously?

      This winger (Walker), who is probably going to have a few more of his decisions rescinded in either state supreme court or at the fed level, just received a fiat from the voting public, thanks to the Democratic Party of Wisconsin and the Democratic Party of the entire U.S.

      This couldn't have been planned any better than Goebbels for Hitler.

      Yeah, that's right--I went into Godwin-land...and I march there proudly...because it fits.

      Not even the Weimar Republic was this lame. This party just gave the worst governor ever a democratic justification for anything he wants to do for the next blah-blah years.

      Wisconsin, you suck.

      Democratic Party, you suck.

      Kos, you suck.

      And I suck...for believing that the great minds of this party and this site had some brilliant plan for gaining the seats of government and using those seats in the most rational and humane ways.

      We can't even keep the seats....after getting the rest of the voting public to agree that the other guy doesn't deserve the seat...

      Oops--apparently he's OK. No to Democrats again.

      Tonight, we are all Charlie Brown.

      I'm going to find some Green and/or socialist party that might have an inkling about creating a viable grassroots movement.

      I'm not optimistic.

      Perhaps some enlightened Scandinavian country will take me as a political refugee.

      I am a patient man...about any country but this one.

      Peace, out--and somebody in charge get fucking smarter, more principled, and winnable. Seriously.

      Humanist principles + Rationality + Intelligence = Win.

      Pre-humanist principles + Irrationality + Ignorance = Lose.

      All you have to do is point out that you are right and smart, and that your opponent is wrong and stupid.

      It's that simple.

      •  Nice rant! (0+ / 0-)

        Losing this recall very frustrating.  Analysis, lessons learned, consoling all helpful.  But sometimes nothing but a good rant will make you feel better!

        That said, I hope you can channel that passion into effective campaigning come November!

        Don't mourn, organize!

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