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  •  Nope. (4+ / 0-)

    He was a great candidate -- did you see him in the debates? in his events around the state? -- and (although I know this is not fashionable these days, when it's all about the horse race and not about governing) the one that we needed for governor.  Those of who know him for decades know that he is excellent, qualified, and exceptionally principled.  What do you know different?

    The other candidates . . . well, the voters chose well in the primary.  Did you listen to them?  And I do mean that verb.  And Wisconsin would not have gone farther left, not today, if it ever did, except in Milwaukee -- and even there, it was "sewer socialism," and the last socialist mayor was more than half a century ago.  

    We have to work with the Dem voters that we have, and they're moderates.

    Of course, a problem with the primary was that $10 million was spent that could have helped in the general -- and much of that was spent bashing the candidate in the end.  But a lot of power-players who are not politicians screwed up the politics.  It was not a disciplined effort, but then, this is the Dems.  

    "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

    by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:09:59 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you Cream City. Great comment. (4+ / 0-)

      I'm so heartsick about people dissing Tom Barrett who know NOTHING about him.   With his experience in the WI State Assembly, the WI State Senate, the U.S. House of Representatives, and finally as Mayor of Milwaukee since 2004, I just cringe when people criticize him as "not a very good candidate".  Jesus Christ.  Excuse my language, but if there's anyone who is an ethical, values-driven person it's Barrett.  And that he was subjected to an absolutely disgusting attack by a woman who slapped him last evening for conceding before she thought he should makes me almost ill.  If people want to be angry, go slap the members of the SCOTUS who made it possible for the Kochs and others to buy this election!  

      We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

      by 3goldens on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:40:28 PM PDT

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      •  I did not mean to offend. (1+ / 0-)
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        I will choose my words more carefully in the future.

        "We aren't looking for charity. We are looking for justice. The journey of equality moves on."

        by CarolJ on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:24:11 AM PDT

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        •  Apology accepted and thanks (0+ / 0-)

          for being such a class act.  There are people here who would not have had your decency or class.

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 04:18:38 PM PDT

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      •  barrett is a multiple time loser. (0+ / 0-)

        i am baffled at the logic of running barrett against walker, who convincingly beat him 18 months prior. that just seems like a common sense decision.

        and why people are surprised that walker beat the same opponent by roughly the same margin defies explanation.

        In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress. -John Adams

        by rcnewton on Thu Jun 07, 2012 at 09:26:56 AM PDT

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    •  It was just a question. (0+ / 0-)

      Didn't mean to dis Barrett, but I can see how it sounded that way. Really just wanted to see what those in WI thought about the candidate the Dems ran. Looks like some liked him well.

      I haven't lived in WI since '87. It seems to have changed a bit since then. Seemed pretty blue back then. At least among the working class.

      Do you think Feingold could have won? Again, just curious. Not trying to say he is any better than Barrett.

      "We aren't looking for charity. We are looking for justice. The journey of equality moves on."

      by CarolJ on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 05:58:41 PM PDT

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      •  Just read an interesting scenario re Feingold (2+ / 0-)
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        as a candidate, had he been willing (No. Way.  He likes his life now), on a local blog -- a comment on the blog Blogging Blue, if it intrigues you to go see it.  It's pretty convincing that little would have differed.

        Remember, Feingold wouldn't take serious funding. . . .

        As for whether Wisconsin is red or blue:  Yes and no!  You know that it's both, and has been for eons.  The state that brought you Victor Berger and Bob La Follette (and Belle and Phil and Bob Jr. and now Doug. . . .) also brought you Joe McCarthy.

        What has changed is Waukesha County, especially, in two ways.  I lived there in the '70s and early '80s.  It was sane.  After all, the city and many of its towns were founded by wonderful reformers, and many descendants still are there.  But in the 70s, it became the fastest-growing county in the country.

        The newcomers were white-flighters from Milwaukee but also an influx of white evangelicals from south of us.  An unholy mix, pardon the pun.

        And it has kept growing and growing (and now, cancerous subterranean fields that is has, it wants our water, draining the Great Lakes; thanks, Tom Barrett, for fighting the good fight for our environment!) -- and the combination has created a huge conservative county, the fourth-reddest county in the country.

        That has changed politics here.  Now, in conjunction wth fast-growing other exurb counties adjoining it, Waukesha County can whomp the Milwaukee-Madison blue bloc.  When enough of sometimes-blue Dale Schultz moderate country in southwestern Wisconsin comes through in sufficient numbers and sufficiently blue, we have a shot.  When it doesn't, well . . . look at yesterday's data.

        Otherwise, not much has changed.  This is Wisconsin.  We don't need no stinkin' change.  You want change?  Go to Chicago, that wicked, wicked city to the south. :-)

        That's why movies about old Chicago are filmed here.  We have done a great job of historical preservation, because if it was good enough from grandma and grandpa, why change?  (Yes, it can be maddening.)

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Wed Jun 06, 2012 at 07:05:28 PM PDT

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