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  •  Misdirection BS? (0+ / 0-)

    Sorry, having a bad day so I'm too tired to figure out what's probably obvious.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 06:36:32 PM PDT

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    •  WH "security leaks"... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... are deliberate and meant to make Obama look as tough as a Repuke who can order people to die with the stroke of his pen - all Dumbya-Dickie-like, especially since he continued their wars and is still not out of Afghanistan (even extended the time the US will be there).

      Repukes still love war, after all, and they don't give a rip whether or not the wars are illegal or unconstitutional.

      I think the "leaks" are deliberate to try to gain the votes of the undecideds and make an impression with Repukes.

      Holder's also going after whistleblowers who were trying to do some good by alerting people to wrongs being done, all in violation of laws to protect whistleblowers.

      That's all I meant.

      I know what you mean.  I haven't felt well for a few days, esp. the last couple of days when I also haven't slept well.  I want to divorce my body about now.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 08:33:49 PM PDT

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      •  I probably wouldn't use the term "misdirection" (2+ / 0-)
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        Which I've always taken to mean diverting attention away from something you don't want people to see because it's unflattering or revealing to something irrelevant or secondary but nevertheless appealing. I don't think Obama wants to misdirect from anything bad or unflattering that he's actually done so much as he wants to RE-direct people away from the decades'-old dishonest meme that Dems are bad on national security and Repubs are good.

        Which, in and of itself is a good thing, because it's a lie that Repubs have gotten a free ride on and Dems have lost votes on. It's just the way that he's doing it that's frankly despicable. He's literally having people killed to make himself look tough on security, many of them unnecessarily or without due process (read: illegally). Sure, many of them are "bad" people who are trying to do us harm, but the world is filled with bad people who are trying to do or wish us harm, and we can't go after all of them--especially when it ends up killing lots of innocent people, or is done unlawfully.

        And not everyone he's gone after is necessarily "bad" (which is where the due process part comes in, in making such determinations let alone deciding how to act on it). What has the Taliban ever done to us? And if this is about ridding the world of evil, how come no action on Syria?

        So while I'm glad that he's trying to turn around this false meme about Dems being weak on security, this is absolutely the wrong way to do it, and rather cowardly not to mention immoral and likely illegal (and I include his campaign against whistleblowers and morally motivated leakers in this).

        Ironically, it may not even have its intended effect, with the media or swing voters, because this meme appears to be locked in regardless of objective reality. People believe what they're inclined to believe and screw the facts. Just look at how people continue to deny global warming or evolution, or crow on about how the deficit is causing the recession.

        I always felt that you do or at least try to do the right thing, with optics being decidedly secondary. Put another way, make a solid product and it will sell itself, but put PR over product, and you will regret it. Unless you're willing to go the GOP route, which I doubt even Obama is. He's better than that and he knows it. He has to either do the right thing no matter the political costs, or he will be another Clinton even if he gets reelected.

        And yeah, life's been kind of rough lately. Can't get into details here but things have been coming at me from all sorts of fronts, including physical (although that's probably just a result of working out too hard and suddenly after a long and miserable winter indoors). I hope you get through whatever it is that you're going through too. It sucks when things suck! :-)

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 10:10:47 PM PDT

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        •  Yes... Despicable... (1+ / 0-)
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          Excellent descriptive word, kovie, and I heartily agree with what you said - all of it.

          There are lots of bad people in the world.  Why not start prosecuting criminals we can actually DO something about?  Like pedophiles, child molesters, and rapists among us..., and let's not forget the lying war criminals still among us who started illegal and unconstitutional wars, and authorized torture [that last thought still has the power to physically turn my stomach in revulsion; the illegal wars that killed so many innocents were bad enough, but the torture still jangles my psyche], starting with Dumbya and Dickie and working downward from there.  Their crimes are well known and well documented.

          "Going after the people responsible for 9/11" is a senseless and utterly stupid phrase.  The perpetrators who carried the box cutters and hijacked four planes died with their murdered victims!  [No one in Moronic Media disputed the 'going after the people responsible for 9/11' phrase in all those years.  They still repeat it like a tape recorder, much to my amazement.]

          Just because OBL said he planned 9/11 [and however many #2 AQ members who also claim something to do with the planning thereof], it does not logically follow that it could be proved in a court of law that he/they did so, especially now that they're all dead.  [I  don't think anyone really believes the delusional and babbling Zacarias Moussaoui really did any of the planning of 9/11, but his claims to have done so landed him in prison for life without parole.]  OBL was always a delusional religious nut case, and no one can really take anything he said seriously unless there was video of him actually doing something.

          The problem with delusional creeps of all kinds is that they like to claim that they did the last horrible criminal act that made the news; it gets them attention, just like people who confess to murders they never committed claim responsibility when they were miles away and give false details of the crime on top of everything else.

          Goodness begins at home, so to speak.  My parents taught me and my bro to be good people.  Never lie.  Be good to those around you and they'll be good to you.  Then extend those actions out to those who are just friends we haven't met yet.  Give everyone the benefit of the doubt..., but if they crap on you, don't give them the benefit of the doubt ever again (life's too short to allow one's self to get hurt that often).  Mostly, even during the years I worked in law enforcement and met a lot of bad people, being good to everyone, being friendly, actually works.  Now that I have an international circle of friends and acquaintances via genealogy research (and on DKos, too, sometimes), I meet a lot of good people.  But since Dumbya and Dickie were appointed to their posts by the SCOTUS decision of 12 Dec 2000 and the FL recount was arbitrarily stopped..., well, our political situation has gone down the toilet, and it's lead to our politicians of both parties being bought off, and I really don't like what's happened to us as a nation one bit because of the awful actions of our politicians and "leaders."

          Gah.  I hafta stop or I'll end up going on a rant and say all the same things as I've said before about our despicable "leaders" and their decisions, words, and actions.

          Thank you for your good wishes.  I'll be okay in due time; stuff happens, one gets through it.  I'm old, so I know this, too, shall pass.  I'm trying to concentrate on the good things that have happened recently with new genealogy research info, "new" relatives found.  Once I get happily bogged down in finding documents and concentrating hard on recording the info, then finding more, doing more documentation..., I can mentally work through a lot (it's the physical health things that can derail me temporarily that are such a depressing nuisance).

          I hope all will be well for/with you in due time, kovie.  I wish you all the best of whatever you need or want to be healthy and happy.  Always.


          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 09:23:11 AM PDT

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