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  •  Legally. (0+ / 0-)

    The fetus is not a life - legally - until it is born.

    Biologically, it's as soon as it hits the uterus.

    •  The whole discussion of "life" (2+ / 0-)
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      as relates to fertilized eggs is not really that easy to define. Is an ectopic pregnancy a life? No uterus involved. What about spontaneous abortion (miscarriage)?

      We end up on the short end of the stick because those of us who are pro-choice have to argue from a very complicated place with moving time lines. Pro forced birthers don't have to make a coherent argument at all, to them it's all "a baby".

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 07:04:05 PM PDT

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    •  Then again (2+ / 0-)

      the egg and the sperm were alive before they ever got together.

      The whole point of society is to be less unforgiving than nature. - Arthur D. Hlavaty

      by Alice Venturi on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 07:14:30 PM PDT

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    •  It's the potential of a life. (0+ / 0-)

      A bunch of cells in a woman's uterus might, might, become a living, breathing human being if it makes it all the way through the nine months without incident, which millions do not - and not just because of abortion. There are so many things that can, and do go wrong along the way. And many (I believe up to 50%) never even attach long enough to make a baby.
      And abortion MUST be available so a woman carrying a dead child can have it removed (it happens, but the right wants to force women to carry a dead fetus), or if there is a problem that might endanger the woman's health (which the right doesn't care about), etc.
      Democrats MUST keep abortion legal and ensure that any woman who wants or needs one can get it without interference.
      We simply cannot go back to the "wire hanger" era. EVER.

      Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

      by MA Liberal on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:32:48 PM PDT

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