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  •  I was listening to Mic 92.1... (4+ / 0-)
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    dskoe, HudsonValleyMark, JVolvo, Sunspots

    progressive radio from Madison...they reported NBC first...then CNN, FOX...AP was 14 minutes after NBC.

    We are not broke, we are being robbed.

    by Glen The Plumber on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 09:21:25 PM PDT

    •  GAB refers people to AP (2+ / 0-)

      Yes, and NBC, CNN, FOX, and AP all are part of the NEP.  That's kind of my point - they are all part of the same media organization that "unofficially" calls elections. I question this - in this election - because very few results have been posted for an election that was called less than an hour after the polls closed.  I have a problem with that.

      •  I'm a 100% with you...it sucks..!! (1+ / 0-)
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        We are not broke, we are being robbed.

        by Glen The Plumber on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 09:33:04 PM PDT

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      •  Which results? (2+ / 0-)
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        HudsonValleyMark, rosarugosa

        Which results are you having trouble finding?

        The Milw Journal had a map that you could mouse over to see results from individual counties

        http://www.jsonline.com/...

        •  Yes, but... (0+ / 0-)

          There is no OFFICIAL numbers out yet.  The media called the race without official numbers being posted.  Visit random city and county web site and see how many election results  you can find.  I have spent 4 days looking for results since finding out that Dane County is reporting 44,000 fewer votes for Madison than the City of Madison reported, I am looking into who calls elections and where do they get their numbers...BTW, JSOnline is posting 900 less than Dane County is reporting...so that's 45,000 votes lost from Madison and Dane County.  I want answers.

          AP usually posts a county-by-county count as the results are coming in...this time they did not.  Why not?  Why can't we see what numbers were used for AP, FOX, NBC, and CNN to call the election.  

          •  Because of absentees, and canvas (2+ / 0-)
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            There are no official results for (at least) two reasons: 1) absentees postmarked by election day and arriving as late as Friday afternoon are still be valid, and were counted this weekend, or are being counted today (there won't be very many, but there will be some), and 2) the "canvas" then happens tomorrow. The canvas is everyone getting together on a county by county basis to double check that all the numbers from all the precincts agree - the number of signatures matches the number of ballots counted, etc.

            Now your contention "The results of the Prosser/Kloppenburg were available the moment the polls closed" is clearly not true. Because days later (I believe as part of the canvas), Waukesha clerk Kathy Nicholaus discovered her 14K vote error in the spreadsheet. So what we knew on election night that night was clearly not OFFICIAL. This election is no different than that one, or any other.

            If you want the AP county-by-county numbers, I believe that is what can be found at the Milw Journal link I gave you. But those are not official (eg. they don't include any of the late absentees).

            http://www.jsonline.com/...

            •  quibble: two kinds of canvass (0+ / 0-)

              The municipal canvasses happen today; the county canvasses happen (or at least begin) tomorrow.

              I only bother to mention this because many people aren't aware of the role that municipalities play in Wisconsin elections. The votes that Kathy Nickolaus "found" (quoting others, not you) last year, from the city of Brookfield, were votes that had already been reported by the city clerk on election night.

            •  ??? Yes, the numers from Pros/Klop were available (0+ / 0-)

              and online that night - that's how everyone was watching as the #s were updated.  Yes, KN found her Brookfield error the next day but AP was getting the county #s from somewhere the night of the election.  We were not in the dark about the unofficial results in near-realtime.

              To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt 1918

              by JVolvo on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:53:34 AM PDT

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              •  Once more... (0+ / 0-)

                we were not "in the dark about the unofficial results" on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning either. They were, and still are, available on a county-by-county basis here:

                http://www.jsonline.com/...

              •  Absolutely! (0+ / 0-)

                I still have - some where on one of my computers - several spreadsheets and screen prints from the Prosser/Kloppenburg election from that night and the next morning...and even more after the KN fiasco started.   It is BECAUSE of that fiasco that I am paying such close attention.  So, when I can't find the county-by-county results like is normally posted, I get suspicious about what's up.

        •  Where are the city counts? (0+ / 0-)

          Madison posted their results right away.  So did Dane County.  On THEIR web sites.  In previous elections - including all of the recall elections and the Prosser/Kloppenburg election - cities and counties posted their results within a day or two.  I haven't done any random checks today, but I have every day since the election and have found VERY few are posting results this time.  I'd like to know why this is.  What's more, media sites - like the AP - post a complete listing that is continually updated from the time the polls close until the counting is done.  Here is the one from the P/K election:

          http://hosted.ap.org/...

          I got home about 9:00 the night of the election and - knowing it had been called for Walker - I began looking for results...be they city or county.  I found next to nothing.  Oh, there were plenty of general counts (X for Walker, Y for Barrett, etc), but not one site I've found has listed the results the way many (including AP) have done it in the past - with a county-by-county breakdown, to include the % of precincts reporting.  I want to know why this is.  So far, no one can tell me.  

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