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  •  Wouldn't you have to get all the spending... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...in all the markets to be sure of what you're saying?

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:19:01 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, which is hopefully what (1+ / 0-)
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      The Wisconsin Democracy Campaign did.

      As for the advertising reports--two of the ones I linked to apparently covered the whole state.  The other two only discussed  the Milwaukee and Madison markets, but the Milwaukee and Madison markets have over half the state's population between them, I think.  I'd love to see one for the Green Bay media market, but I couldn't find one.  Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

      by Xenocrypt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:22:36 PM PDT

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      •  Seems like the Madison Group is conservative. (0+ / 0-)

        At least, Googling got me a few conservative Madison Groups -- I could be wrong.

        But, the article seemed to conflate the Madison Group's numbers with the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign guy's quotes.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:37:34 PM PDT

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      •  Well, I hope you're right. (1+ / 0-)
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        But I don't think we'll really know until the July reporting deadline at the earliest.

        Right now, it's just guesswork on both sides.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 05:46:36 PM PDT

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      •  Also not sure about relying on the TV spending (1+ / 0-)
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        Seems like the smaller markets would be more radio and newpaper and even direct mail ads.

        Don't mean to be a pain -- I'm just not sure who to believe on this.

        Hope you're right, though.

        "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

        by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:02:40 PM PDT

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        •  It's possible (0+ / 0-)

          I just thought the TV spending was an interesting check, as I said.  It's certainly not all that campaign spending is, but I also doubt that the spending ratios with TV advertising are that wildly off the spending ratios of total spending.

          26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

          by Xenocrypt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:06:07 PM PDT

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        •  Look at it this way (1+ / 0-)
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          Why should the 7:1 ratio be true, if it comes from looking at only one part of the campaign spending?

          26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

          by Xenocrypt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:09:16 PM PDT

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          •  I see what you're saying. (0+ / 0-)

            But, probably the first money either side spends is on major market TV ads -- that's almost the point of entry for a statewide office -- so just going by that, they could look to be in the same spending ballpark.

            But, one or both sides would probably go beyond that to spend much deeper in other media buys.

            For instance, the Repubs have been masters at micro targeting via direct mail since the days of Viguarie and on through Rove, so it's hard to believe they still don't do some of that, which is relatively expensive.

            Then, you know, you have local radio shows and what-not.

            "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

            by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:08:11 PM PDT

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          •  And just looking at this map. (0+ / 0-)

            http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/...

            You'd have to say that Walker probably spent a lot outside of the major markets.

            "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

            by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:30:29 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe he did, maybe he didn't... (0+ / 0-)

              But he and the Republicans could have "spent a lot outside of the major markets" by spending about twice what Barrett and the Democrats were spending, rather than by spending about seven times what Barrett and the Democrats were spending.

              26, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-14 (formerly PA-02/NY-12).

              by Xenocrypt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:41:15 PM PDT

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              •  Maybe. (0+ / 0-)

                I don't think we'll ever know for sure, though.

                "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

                by Bush Bites on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:51:10 PM PDT

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