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  •  I know several gay catholics (9+ / 0-)

    that are fairly active in their faith.  I don't know how they do it.  I have personally lost most of my faith...at least for now.

    One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.

    by The Nephew on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:27:03 PM PDT

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    •  Me too (8+ / 0-)

      The gay Catholics I know are very, very Catholic. I can understand holding most of the Catholic beliefs as a gay person, but it must be very difficult when your Church hierarchy doesn't support you.

      Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. Which one seems unnatural now?

      by Chrislove on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 06:28:41 PM PDT

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      •  Chris - many priests are gay (5+ / 0-)

        and have taken a vow of celibacy. This was even more common before gays were openly accepted in our society.

        Prior to the 1980s gay boys in strict Catholic families had three choices. To live in the closet and be the bachelor uncle who always had roommates, but never girlfriends. To come out of the closet and be shunned by your entire family. Or to be the favorite child, the son your parents revere, the one who gives his life to God, my son the priest.  Is it surprising how many took option three?

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:48:30 PM PDT

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      •  My godfather (4+ / 0-)
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        was a very devout Catholic and ushered at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City.  I attended his funeral there in the late 90s.

        My godfather and my uncle lived together for close to fifty years, and right after I came out to my family, I asked my mom if she thought Uncle Pete and Uncle Bob were gay (in my family, all my parent's close friends were Uncle or Aunt).  My mom said she wasn't sure.

        Well, soon after that, I came out to Bob, and he confirmed the answer I suspected, but he also asked me not to talk about it to Pete.  I guess it had to do with the period of time that he grew up in (they were both born in the 20s) and the Catholic beliefs with which he was raised.  (I remember how upset he get when Act Up would protest at St. Pat's).

        At his wake, about 30 people attended at their apartment on the Upper East Side; the only women who attended were his sister, my mother and my brother's fiance (my uncle was my brother's godfather).  The men who attended (other than me and my brother) were all about the same age as Bob and Pete and I (unfortunately) had visions of "Boys in the Band" when observing them.

        It is sad to see, even in New York City, in the late 90s, this dichotomy between who a person is, and who a person is supposed to be, especially when that person has a strong faith.  But, I also undersand, in part, what it was like to be a young to middle-aged gay man in the '40's, '50s and '60s.

        It's about time I changed my signature.

        by Khun David on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 09:20:44 PM PDT

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    •  I was not raised in a religious family, (2+ / 0-)
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      but I can't help thinking (if there is a God, that is...) that He is quite disappointed in followers who seem to be using the Bible to justify hatred.  This can't be what God had in mind...

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