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  •  Good! Then let's widely-share it! (5+ / 0-)

    Time to go on the attack.

    Attack wins, explaining loses.

    Make them explain themselves and they will lose.

    We are not obligated to do their explaining for them.  Instead we should run with the common usage of the word "fiduciary" and force them to come out and explain.

    Is marriage more or less important than charity?  Than doing for the least among us?  Than war and the death penalty?   Force them to justify every millimeter of the way, and expose the contradictions.   Does this teacher get $20K departure money, like that child molester did?  If she was in favor of covering up child molesters but opposed to the right to marry, would she still be working with children?

    Make no mistake, the Vatican as presently constituted, is our enemy, and a sworn ally of the Republicans in this election.

    And making our enemies squirm isn't just a right, and isn't entertainment, it's a duty.    

    "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 07:32:39 PM PDT

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    •  I understand why others feel differently, but (1+ / 0-)
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      the Vatican is not my enemy. The RCC is not my enemy. The bishops are not my enemies. They are people with whom I disagree on many issues, and whose behavior often appalls me, especially in recent years. (Same goes for my non-Catholic Christian Republican relatives, who are also not my enemies.) The bishops are also people who are trying to have more influence on U.S. politics than I think they should, which puts them in a very large, and largely secular, club. Unfortunately, a big chunk of the power they have at the moment was handed to them by the Obama administration, by way of Sec'y Sebelius. Whether that ends up, on balance, being good strategy or bad remains to be seen.

      Graveyards are filled with indispensable men and those who've proclaimed the imminent demise of the Catholic Church. Got better things to do with my time, although I share many (but not all) of the sentiments. I have, in a small way, helped fight and win a similar Catholic elementary school battle -- about children of gay parents, not a teacher -- and choose to win at the local level rather than swing away wildly at Vatican windmills. YMMV.

      •  Sebelius did not hand them anything (0+ / 0-)

        Basically you're buying into their nonsense that "religious freedom" means "Everything and everyone we call Catholic is excused from any law we don't like."  And that's utter horseturds.  There's plenty of case law that says religion does not automatically trump laws that apply to everyone.

        They want to hire people and offer them health insurance, then they can follow the laws for employers with regards to health insurance.

        In capitalist America, bank robs you!

        by madhaus on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 10:34:02 PM PDT

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        •  Well, you completely misunderstand my (0+ / 0-)

          comment, but I don't have the energy tonight to make it much clearer.

          The administration is right on the substance. Whether it was right on the politics remains to be seen. Depends on whether the insistence on fighting this fight before the election wins more votes from women than it loses among Catholics who buy the bishops' braying about religious freedom. Pretending the administration didn't play a hand with deliberation diminishes the players. I won't do that. I think they're skilled and hope they were right, but for me it's a coin toss for now.

          •  Okay, I get the politics vs substance distinction (1+ / 0-)
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            But I still maintain that the Catholic leadership were not "handed" anything.  28 states already had the rules that they're now so upset about when it went national.  And they're going nuts on the nuns, on marriage equality, basically on every single social control issue they have.

            Too bad they don't think their own teachings against the death penalty or unjust wars or cutting welfare or kicking out immigrants matter very much.  I would love to see some of those hardline conservative Catholics (cough Ryan cough) told they can't receive communion for their rejection of doctrine.  Ha!

            In capitalist America, bank robs you!

            by madhaus on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:12:28 AM PDT

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