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  •  That's where a good PR team is invaluable. (5+ / 0-)

    Set the message.  Frame the argument.  Manipulate people's feelings.  

    These are things the repubs do really well.  We have to stop being afraid to do the same thing.  If we don't, we'll never win.  

    •  Yes! Explain to Chicago parents, many of whom (4+ / 0-)
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      make less than the average Chicago teacher, that they need to pay more taxes to give Chicago teachers a 30% raise!

      It doesn't matter whether or not this is a justified demand.

      The optics are so bad that there's no way it will fly.

      Rahm's a street fighter.  He doesn't pick fights unless he knows how he is going to win them.  I think it is far more likely he will break the union over this than give in.

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        fellow members of the middle class allow unions to be broken over this, then fellow members of the middle class will eventually wind up getting even more of what they deserve than they have these last 20 years.

      •  If the optics are so bad (7+ / 0-)

        we need to roll over and play dead, then we might as well close the damned schools. I honestly cannot believe the groundless right-wing driven hostility toward teachers here. Tell the damned public that if they don't want to pay teachers — highly educated professionals with much more education than the parents who are being paid less — then they should EXPECT the inferior schools they have earned. And tell them at the same time that they should demand their doctors not be paid anymore than they are as well. That is a crappy little right-wing argument.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:49:15 PM PDT

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        •  So go make your argument (1+ / 0-)
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          rcnewton

          $10 says it's a loser.

        •  Ok (1+ / 0-)
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          rcnewton

          I'm a Texas teacher.  I haven't gotten a raise in three years and probably won't get one next year.  Lately they let us know what we will be making after school starts or right before.  I will let you decide why that is.   When we used to get raises, they would be 2 or 3% and that was consistent with the other districts around the DFW area.

          We can't strike in Texas, so that isn't an option, although many school districts are suing the state for not adequately funding the schools when there is a rainy day fund that Rick Perry doesn't want to use for schools.  This isn't surprising in view of the fact that the first stimulus funds that were supposed to go to education were used to plug other holes in the budget so that the Rs could say they balanced the budget and pat themselves on the back.  

          I think teachers should be paid more than we are, and should get a raise each year, especially if time and/or responsibilities are increased, but come on.  Asking for a 24% raise is ridiculous and will make people think all of the "greedy" teacher talking points are true.  A 5% raise would be a reasonable request in this economy.   I rarely think that teachers are in the wrong on these kinds of issues, but in this case I have to say that it is going overboard and doesn't do teachers' unions any favors.  

          •  So their workload is increasing by somewhere (5+ / 0-)

            between ten percent and twenty four percent and they should be "reasonable" and accept a five percent raise???  Seriously?  And your a teacher?  You do realize that it would result in a reduction of actual pay, don't you?  You complain about not having gotten raises, but you think Chicago teachers should happily accept a huge reduction in pay???  I just don't get the thinking process of the naysayers here.  It's like they think the teachers are just jumping in and demanding a twenty four percent increase with no increase in their workload.  NO.  The teachers are going to be working a hell of a lot more.  Why in the world would in be fair that they not be receiving a comparable raise?  They still wouldn't be getting an actual raise - they'd be staying the same.

            Really, if other teachers can't think that one through, what hope is there for Dems?????

            "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

            by gustynpip on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:10:36 AM PDT

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      •  10 days longer + longer school day (2+ / 0-)
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        will significantly lower their child care bills (for elementary age parents anyway).

        Longer school day can have other direct benefits as well. For example, if a longer school day means the homework is all done at school instead of at home, it's a big win for parents.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:37:25 PM PDT

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      •  Do you really not get that the working class rises (4+ / 0-)
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        and falls together????

        Begrudge one group an increase and the rest will never get the opportunity to rise, either.  

        If Rahm is willing to break the union over this, it will show his true colors even more than his past behaviors.  And remember, while you may agree with Rahm that he's all powerful, there's nothing like arrogance to help someone fall hard.  

        90 percent of all teachers voted against this.  A twenty four percent raise is a starting point for negotiations.  If Rahm is going to stick his heels in at giving them a two percent raise with a ten or twenty percent increase in workload, I'd like to know how he thinks he's going to manage to replace ninety percent of the teachers in order to break the union.  Methinks he just might have let his head get so big, he might end up being the one who's broken if he's not willing to be more reasonable.

        "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

        by gustynpip on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 02:04:01 AM PDT

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      •  what teachers make has little to do with what (5+ / 0-)

        other people make.  The question is this:  do you want good teachers or don't you.  If the answer is yes, then pay them.  if you don't care all that much, then fine, don't pay them.  But expect the best teaching candidates to go to school systems where either the pay is better or the teacher support is better.

        You must realize that there are way better places to teach than the Chicago public schools.  It has a decades long, national reputation for being a terrible place to work.  If you want to improve the quality of teaching/teachers in Chicago, fire a bunch of admins who aren't properly supervising teachers, pay top dollar for teachers, and stop talking about how much everyone else is making when you set teacher's salaries.

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