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  •  No it's not (3+ / 0-)
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    65k in >CHICAGO< is more like 40k anywhere else. 40k is Excellent pay for.. a non-degreed worker. Where i'm from an educaton degree is a 5 year degree. It is literally harder to get than an engineering, mathematics or physics degree.

    Emanuel wants to increase workload by more than 24% while continuing to cut pay (see above for new hours worked)

    Add in that 90% of teachers voted to strike. And remember that a not insignificant number are anti-union, anti-strike, republican and or just cant afford a strike.

    The real problem is people like you want something for nothing. You dont want to pay property taxes but you want excellent schools.

    A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

    by cdreid on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:05:05 AM PDT

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    •  I'm in your court, but (1+ / 0-)
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      I have to take exception  to your comment "[a degree in education] is literally harder to get than an engineering, mathematics or physics degree." Longer does not mean harder.

      •  I think in this case it does (0+ / 0-)

        though maybe not everywhere. When i was in college physics wasnt really that much of a biggy. Computer science and engineering majors took nearly all the math that math majors took.. not that much of a biggy. Engineering was probably the single hardest degree but the engineering students were all getting wasted at frat parties while the woudlbe teachers were busting their butts.. and their degree was a 5 year degree. So im quasi-serious.

        A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

        by cdreid on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:54:34 PM PDT

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        •  I admire anyone who has to work hard for a degree. (0+ / 0-)

          I am responding only to your statement that  "the engineering students were all getting wasted at frat parties." You are painting with too broad a brush.

          It's been 40 years since I got my engineering degree, but I had to spend the majority of my out of class time studying to get it. I found courses like differential equations, linear algebra, and thermodynamics to be seriously difficult. Engineering physics was pretty rough too. I'm not the brightest bulb on the porch, but, by working hard, was able to graduate with honors.

          Maybe times have changed.

    •  "People like you" (0+ / 0-)

      I'm a Chicago resident.  

      I pay more than $6,000 per year in property taxes.  

      I don't know who "you" is in that sentence, but it sure as hell isn't me.  I just take exception to the idea that 65K per year in Chicago or anywhere else is "not that much" for any employee.

      Chicago isn't LA or New York, we don't have ridiculously high cost-of-living, and our excellent public transit system makes owning a car truly optional, even if you want to live on the opposite side of the city from your workplace.  Actually, between the Metra, the El system and the bus system, its usually cheaper and faster to take public transit.

      But hey, why let facts get in your way, right?  I mean, I disagree with you, I must be evil, right?

      Something Witty, Pithy, and Great.

      by firant on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 05:36:05 PM PDT

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