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  •  Emily's List Is Counterproductive (3+ / 0-)
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    Emily's List is a detriment to the Democratic Party and the progressive political agenda, including women's rights.  Progressive Democrats, male and female, should avoid support of this organization.

    Emily's List will supports a LESS PROGRESSIVE, LESS ELECTABLE, female Democrat over MORE PROGRESSIVE, MORE ELECTABLE (and equally pro-choice) male Democrat in a primary race - That is crazy!

    And Emily's List causes a waste of precious financial resources as well.  Progressives, who are already at a huge financial disadvantage in today's post-Citizen's United world, should not be encouraged to divert their limited funds towards fighting excellent progressive candidates in Democratic primaries (ex: Chris Murphy in CT), simply because those candidates are male.

    •  I'm not sure your getting this. (0+ / 0-)

      Their priority is electing PRO-CHOICE DEMOCRATIC WOMEN. If the candidate has a shot, they will endorse them. Without this group many of the women elected to both chambers would not be there.

      20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

      by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:51:40 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, I Get It (1+ / 0-)
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        The problem is that Emily's List's obsession with gender, to the exclusion of ideological and practical consirerations, actually has the real world political effect of helping the GOP, and thereby electing more anti-progressive (and anti-choice) candidates to office.

        •  Obsession? Really! (1+ / 0-)
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          I cannot believe you just said that. Tell that to the 17% of women who are in Congress. That's an abysmal number, but it would have been a hell of a lot worse without Emily's List and similar groups.

          So fucking ridiculous. This thread truly is.... I thought the progressive movement would actually be progressive. Oh wait, it's Daily Kos.

          20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

          by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:26:48 AM PDT

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        •  Wrong, Emily's list only endorse Pro-Choice Dem (0+ / 0-)

          women...that is the purpose of Emily's list, adn more pro-choice women leaders are needed.

      •  and what you aren't telling them (2+ / 0-)
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        is that both Democratic candidates in NH are pro-choice women. Emily's List made a conscious decision to endorse one over the other. Hassan took the NH GOP tax pledge, and Emily's List endorsed her. Cilley refuses to take the pledge, and got the shaft. It's as easy as that.

        “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

        by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:28:50 AM PDT

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        •  I'll say it simply. (0+ / 0-)

          Emily's List endorsed Hassan, because she's a known quantity to them. Not because she signed a tax pledge. In fact one of their former staffers works for her campaign now. If your so pissed get of the internet and help you chosen candidate. Complaining is so unbecoming. By the way, your current Democratic Governor signed it as well.

          20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

          by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:34:19 AM PDT

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          •  and of course (2+ / 0-)
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            because she's a known quantity to them.
            hiring EMILY staffers makes here more qualified, and the good ol' gal system is so much better than the good ol' boy system.

            all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

            by happymisanthropy on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:00:24 AM PDT

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            •  She's a highly qualified individual. (0+ / 0-)

              Lets not forget that, okay. And when women are at parity in government, we can talk about the "gold ol' gals" all you want.

              20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

              by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:03:45 AM PDT

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              •  when you're picking one woman over another (2+ / 0-)
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                because she hired a friend of yours, don't pretend there are principles involved.  

                "known quantity" is exactly the rationale used to discriminate against women generally, but it's ok when it's your cronies being promoted.

                all morals are relative, but some are more relative than others.

                by happymisanthropy on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:17:22 AM PDT

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                •  Yeah, when it's a man vs. a woman. (0+ / 0-)

                  These are two woman. The group made its choice. Quite whining, get over it, and fight for your candidate. That's how representative Democracy works. This isn't some corporate special interest. These are woman committed to fighting for their right to choose and reaching parity in our government.

                  I think Hassan is the more electable candidate and has more potential down the road (e.g. a 2016 Senate run), but Cilley sounds like a great person. Just wanted to add that, this isn't about diminishing her. If she wins the primary, Emily's List would endorse her in a heart beat.

                  Also, understand that this race is the only chance to have a female Democratic Governor in 2013. They don't want mess around waiting. They made a calculated choice. Probably, the smart choice.

                  20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

                  by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:25:22 AM PDT

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              •  what's this WE business? (1+ / 0-)
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                You aren't a woman - and telling women how to act, what to write, and what to think is every bit as unattractive when it comes from a man who is supposed to be on our side, ndrw.

                “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

                by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 01:48:48 PM PDT

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                •  Is happymisanthropy a woman? (0+ / 0-)

                  The game I was referring to earlier was scoring points and you really love to play it. The comments you responded with are a clear indication of that.

                  20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

                  by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:10:12 PM PDT

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                  •  would it matter? (0+ / 0-)

                    As it happens she is. The original point - that telling women what to write, how to act, and what to think is still unpalatable when it comes from a man, ndrw.

                    “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

                    by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 04:24:09 PM PDT

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                    •  Your putting words in my mouth and interpreting (0+ / 0-)

                      what I said to fit your idea. I don't appreciate your disingenuous and you'll obviously never stop. Therefore I am disengaging from this conversation. Good luck with your life!

                      20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

                      by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 05:12:09 PM PDT

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                      •  well, ndrw (0+ / 0-)

                        I wish you continued success in not being from NH, not living in NH, and not having a clue about NH politics. I feel certain you won't let any of that get in your way!

                        “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

                        by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 05:48:57 PM PDT

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    •  Women understand the choice issue better, and we (2+ / 0-)
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      need more women leaders, After all...we are the majority.

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