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  •  thank you ndrwmls10 (5+ / 0-)

    Your rational, point-by-point analysis of why I'm wrong is much appreciated.

    BYE!

    “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

    by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:24:46 AM PDT

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    •  Keep making ridiculous statements. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not going to waste my time.

      20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

      by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:28:17 AM PDT

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      •  nothing (4+ / 0-)

        Could be more ridiculous than some guy from out of state making accusatory comments (that he can't seem to back up or justify) at a genuine NH blogger.

        “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

        by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:32:27 AM PDT

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        •  Back up yours. (0+ / 0-)

          You keep accusing Emily's List of backing Hassan, because she signed the tax pledge. If your going to demand I back up my statements, then you better damn well back yours up.

          20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

          by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:36:03 AM PDT

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          •  prove me wrong (1+ / 0-)
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            You're the out of state expert.

            “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

            by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:38:16 AM PDT

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            •  I see, you can't. (0+ / 0-)

              See two can play that game. We are getting nowhere.

              20, Dude, Chairman DKE Gay Caucus! (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09) Tammy Baldwin and Elizabeth Warren for Senate!

              by ndrwmls10 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:42:08 AM PDT

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              •  Well, you made (3+ / 0-)
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                claims you aren't able to substantiate, while attacking me and calling my POV bullshit. So, in addition to being rude, you've admitted you're playing some sort of game. You aren't from NH, so maybe you're employed by Emily's List. Maybe you went to Phillips Exeter, the exclusive prep school where Hassan's husband teaches. I don't really care. You're behaving boorishly.

                Let's get real.

                There are two pro-choice women, both Democrats, running for governor in the state of NH. They have similar records as far as serving in our state's legislature. Yet, Emily's List chose to endorse one of these women over the other. Why? Well, the biggest difference between them is that the candidate Emily's List endorsed has taken the Republican No Tax Pledge. The other woman refuses. You claim that EL isn't making a choice based on supporting NH's regressive tax policy. I call bullshit on that. Let us, however, dig deeper. Let us turn the Wayback Machine all the way back to late December of 2007...

                In 2007, there was a presidential primary going on. NH is the first in the nation primary state. Jackie Cilley was an early Obama supporter. Maggie Hassan was a Hillary Clinton supporter. Naturally, Hillary was supported by Emily's List in a big way. One week before the NH primary, a number of prominent Hillary supporters sent out a letter to women that misrepresented Obama's relationship with Illinois Planned Parenthood, and his votes on choice. Misrepresented = lied.  Maggie Hassan signed that letter.

                Some of the women who signed it didn't know that they were being asked to sign on to a dishonest mailer. Some have since apologized for it. Hassan has been publicly unapologetic. The rift created by that lying mailer continues to this very day amongst NH women.

                What happened after all that? Well, Maggie joined No Labels along with Evan Bayh and Joe Lieberman.

                Jackie Cilley started sending out a weekly legislative update. In 2010 the NH legislature was hijacked by a mix of teabaggers, Free Staters (a libertarian group moving to NH to take over the state and dismantle our state government), John Birchers, and other loathsome Republicans. Her weekly updates were a welcome source of information, and quickly became the go-to place for the latest info on bills, and outrageous actions by this group.

                Did Emily's List choose Hassan because she's a better speaker? Absolutely not. Jackie Cilley is a powerhouse. At the recent NH Democratic Convention, she received 2 standing ovations during her speech. Cilley 2/Hassan 0. Hassan is not a strong speaker. Did Emily's List endorse Hassan because she's more experienced? Both women have similar experience. So what's this all about?

                The Benjamins, tax policy, and Hillary Clinton. Maggie Hassan supported EL darling Hillary Clinton. One of Hassan's current staffers came to the campaign straight from Emily's List. Hassan comes from an affluent background. Her husband teaches at Phillips Exeter, an elite prep school. She can haul in a lot of cash.

                It's eerily reminiscent of the 2006 Carol Shea-Porter for Congress campaign. The DCCC chose another candidate. Rahm Emmanuel told Carol to go home, she couldn't win. Well, without any help from any organized group, she won the primary. She went on to beat the incumbent - a two term multimillionaire Republican - even though she had about a quarter of a million to spend.

                Emily's List could have chosen to help BOTH pro-choice candidates, and waited to see what happened in the primary.

                That they chose to endorse a more establishment candidate, the candidate who took the GOP tax pledge makes it crystal clear that their intentions here are to aid those from both parties who wish to perpetuate NH's regressive tax structure.

                “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” ~ Confucius

                by susanthe on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 10:51:57 AM PDT

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                •  Pretty damned substantial (0+ / 0-)

                  I don't know much about NH, but assuming what you're saying is true (and at least one more poster below is backing it up), this pretty much cinches the argument.

                  Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

                  by milkbone on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 05:43:09 PM PDT

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                •  Good writeup, but doesn't support your reasoning (0+ / 0-)

                  Why did you conclude that with all this, the REASON Hassan got EMILY's List support was the Pledge?  Doesn't her being a known quantity to them (the staffer) make more sense than it being because she signed a pledge that someone else didn't?  But that's the claim you made (Hassan got EMILY support BECAUSE she signed the pledge and Cilley didn't) and you haven't proven THAT.

                  I do think your writeup is an excellent summary of the local issues and would make a fine diary.  I just don't see any support for your claim that the Pledge was the overriding reason EMILY backed Hassan over Cilley.  

                  Note: I have no connection to NH whatsoever, but I have given to EMILY's list in the past and have been wary because of some pre-primary choices they've made.  Yes I want female pro-choicers in office, but I won't support a ConservaDem over a Progessive even if the Progressive has a Y chromosome.  If they're otherwise equal, I'm fine with them backing the woman.  And with a case of two pro-choice women, they better have a damned good reason to fund one in a primary, and explain their reasoning to us.

                  In capitalist America, bank robs you!

                  by madhaus on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:01:19 PM PDT

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