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  •  Although already the framing is that (21+ / 0-)

    Unions are bad. "The people have spoken and agree that destroying unions is a good thing".

    I've seen that meme on multiple "news" sources and of course the RW is running with that.

    That one third of union households voted for Walker is still astounding to me...whatever their reasons. The results will be played endlessly as a vindication of Walker's extreme policies. "See, they like me! They really like me!"

    I worry like Dood above that the brainwashing in this country is so pervasive and the media so compliant that we may never be able to overcome the Age of Ignorance that is upon us.

    "one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress" -- John Adams

    by blue armadillo on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 07:25:03 AM PDT

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    •  In this instance (8+ / 0-)

      we created our own disappointment.  We fought a battle thinking it would be a clear ideological fight - but it was not.

      The union vote in the recall wasn't that different that the union vote in other elections.  In 2008 39% of union households voted for McCain.

      The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

      by fladem on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 07:45:35 AM PDT

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      •  But it was a clear ideological fight, (11+ / 0-)

        one that I think this diarist has done an excellent job of describing---one that was more about morality then policy.

        And I also don't agree that "we created our own disappointment."  That is simply too facile and too harsh for my tastes---and it belies the many righteous things fought for with heart and passion.

        You stated in a comment above that the recallers should have "listened" better, regarding the number of people who did not believe in the recall. Well, I followed the battle from the beginning, and NEVER was this information out there the way it was one day after the election, and the Washington Post poll.  This was not common wisdom throughout the battle, but rather information revealed in hindsight.

        There are many lessons to be learned from the Wisconsin recall, and I think this Diarist illustrates a very important one.  But the idea that the recallers chose the wrong fight is a lesson preached based on loss.  And if we stop fighting because we think we might lose, we're in trouble.

        •  No, the public (1+ / 0-)
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          didn't see it that way.  They did not agree with the basic idea of using a recall to change policy.

          We should have known that would have been an issue before the fight was launched.

          We did not listen.

          The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

          by fladem on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 11:25:41 AM PDT

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          •  They were convinced by the money (3+ / 0-)

            There are many people who would have voted against a sitting governor in a recall election due to policy.  If a Democratic governor had outlawed guns or hunting they would have been gone.

            The answer is that the Republicans have managed to create class warfare between the low income and middle income classes.  Since the middle class has pensions and health insurance they feed on the resentment of the lower class that doesn't.  That gets the poor to vote against their economic self-interest because "If I can't have it they shouldn't have it too".

            What the Democrats need to do is convince the poor that they CAN have it too, but not as long as the Republicans are in charge.

            THAT is the solution.

            Which is good news for John McCain.

            by AppleP on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 12:40:42 PM PDT

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