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  •  George Monbiot (10+ / 0-)

    has a pretty good piece in the Guardian today that argues that the moral difference stance is flawed, and that recent Democratic defeats can be put down to a lukewarm attitude by the party regulars + lack of interest by the working class because they see little difference in final policy and therefore decline to vote.  

    If Haidt (the analyst who pointed out moral differences between conservatives and progressives)) and his admirers were right, the correct strategy would be for Labour, the Democrats and other once progressive parties to swing even further to the right, triangulate even more furiously, and – by seeking to satisfy an apparent appetite for loyalty, authority and sanctity – to join the opposing tribe. But if the real problem is not that working-class voters have switched their voting preferences but that they are not voting at all because there's too little at stake, the correct political prescription is to do the opposite: to swing further to the left and to emphasise not "order and national greatness" but care and economic justice.

    "There's a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in". Leonard Cohen

    by northsylvania on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 07:54:25 AM PDT

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    •  Joining the opposing tribe (3+ / 0-)
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      northsylvania, NoMoreLies, elwior

      Yes, we've had too much of that from the party leadership, and it has come back to haunt them.

      Good points. Economic justice should prevail if we keep repeating the need for it.

      "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." Edward R. Murrow

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:21:14 AM PDT

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      •  "Economic justice" (2+ / 0-)
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        StellaRay, Aquarius40

        is a popular term in progressive circles, but I don't know what it means, frankly.  Does the average non-pollitical citizen know what it means? I don't think so.

        Does it connect with the real aspirations of real people?

        Since we are talking "framing" in this thread,  I think "economic justice" is due for a makeover.  

        It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

        by Radiowalla on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:36:53 AM PDT

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        •  An honest day's work (1+ / 0-)
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          Radiowalla

          for an honest day's pay. How's that for starters?
          Beyond that environmental damage versus economic benefit, sacrifices made for further education, hazard pay, and other ancillary issues could be addressed.
          Sitting around and raking a percentage while sitting on your ass would not be included, though sales and marketing might...at a reduced rate ;-)

          "There's a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in". Leonard Cohen

          by northsylvania on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:43:32 PM PDT

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        •  delivering the bacon? a chicken in every pot? (2+ / 0-)
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          catfishbob, Radiowalla

          I'm NOT apologizing or making excuses - I've been kind of busy  in my 52 years working & making sure that when the boss got pissed and was looking for asses to kick in the street --

          it wasn't me.

          BUT ----- we got leaders who all want to be the Rodin statue dude, sitting on his fucking ass pondering his belly button ---

          aside from needing to make shit work,

          we need to be able to effectively messaging when shit ain't working,

          ESPECIALLY if it ain't working cuz some rich pig fuck intentional made it NOT work so the rich pig could siphon off OUR surplus into HIS hookers and beemers and mansions.

          the opportunity IS there - the bottom 80% ++ of us have been getting the shaft for decades.

          rmm.

          Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

          by seabos84 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 09:13:09 PM PDT

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