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  •  It went there (0+ / 0-)

    The train went KABOOM! on the last page. Just after Alan had started to propose to the BF, complete with proffered ring. (Some fans think that will metamorphose into Alan's Green Lantern ring, but DC is putting out inconsistent and contradictory claims as to whether there will even be a Green Lantern ring this time around. There definitely won't be a physical lantern.)

    The "snark" tag is because I'm snarking at DC for its cowardice.

    If it's
    Not your body,
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    And it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:31:07 PM PDT

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    •  He's replacing a B-List Gay character (3+ / 0-)
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      Obsidian, Alan Scott's gay son, has been removed from continuity because they're starting Alan Scott over again at an age too young to have a gay superhero son with an awful design and lame powers.  So writer James Robinson decided to make Alan gay to keep the number of gay characters up (DC has a lot of gay characters, including Batwoman).  Hardly an act of cowardice.  That DC made no fanfare of it, but agreed to it casually, without hesitation, leads one to suspect that they didn't think it would be thought of as controversial or particularly courageous in this day and age, and merely wanted to make an ancient character (he was the original Green Lantern, after all) new and fresh both in and out of costume.  They should be applauded not for courage, but for their participation in and production of progressive-thinking inclusive culture.

      Your resentment is misplaced.  Alan Scott is the original and best Green Lantern (well, best after Kyle Rayner), and the Hal Jordan movie was a mess.

      "The strictest law sometimes becomes the severest injustice." -- Ben Franklin

      by Ouroboros on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:44:40 PM PDT

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      •  And some people claim it was the media ballyhooing (1+ / 0-)
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        what they saw as a Red-Hot Story.

        I still think DC deserves to be snarked at for not taking any such risks with a real Major Character. And it isn't as if it's even such a Brand New Thing - Wildstorm had Apollo and the Midnighter, who actually got married before the line and all their history was gobbled up into the black hole of the DC Universe. (They have been reintroduced in the DCU, but they are at most in the early stages of "getting to know you".) Marvel is marrying off a couple of second-stringers (Northstar of Alpha Flight and his boyfriend Kyle) later this month. ARCHIE COMICS, for crapsake, introduced and married off a cute gay character already. (Interestingly, both marriages are not only same-gender, but mixed-race.)

        DC is way, WAY behind the curve.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 08:57:57 PM PDT

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        •  DC was promoting Gay characters before Archie (0+ / 0-)

          So they didn't show us a wedding yet.  Big deal.  Comicbook weddings are generally awful, unreadable garbage unless somebody tragically dies at one.

          DC is ahead of everyone else.  The first transgender person I got to know and understand appeared in a DC comic.  Over 20 years ago.

          You're upset because they aren't making Superman himself gay?  Whatever.  I'm upset they haven't made him a 34 year old Jew from NYC.

          "The strictest law sometimes becomes the severest injustice." -- Ben Franklin

          by Ouroboros on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 06:45:30 AM PDT

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          •  Wasn't that actually Vertigo? (0+ / 0-)
            The first transgender person I got to know and understand appeared in a DC comic.  Over 20 years ago.
            Sounds like Wanda (née Alvin) Mann in Neil Gaiman's Sandman series (specific arc and volume, "A Game of You", if anyone wants to look her up). Strong well-written character - but ended up dead as the only possible "happy" solution to her dilemma (she wanted to be a Real Woman but was terrified of the surgery required).  Not quite as progressive as one might hope, then (and less so now).

            Anyway, Vertigo was where DC put its books and stories that might be "too disturbing" for the general public...until they discovered that nothing was "too disturbing" for the fans they still had.

            If it's
            Not your body,
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            And it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 09:48:18 AM PDT

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            •  Also, Coagula from Rachel Pollack's (0+ / 0-)

              Doom Patrol.  Also Vertigo, but that there is a DC COMICS imprint also owned by Time Warner.

              "The strictest law sometimes becomes the severest injustice." -- Ben Franklin

              by Ouroboros on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 03:09:56 AM PDT

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            •  Look dude, (0+ / 0-)

              your problem with Alan Scott being gay and not Hal Jordan is kinda weird to me.  DC didn't make Alan Scott gay for the purpose of publicity, like Marvel's public marriage PR blitz fanfare event, but because the writer came up with the idea thinking it would make for a better, more quality piece of work, and DC agreed.  The media latched onto it because they thought it was a more novel, controversial and fascinating thing than it is.  Hal Jordan is lame, and already basically portrayed as a closet-case anyway.  He can never commit to Carroll even though he loves her.  Hmmmmm.

              "The strictest law sometimes becomes the severest injustice." -- Ben Franklin

              by Ouroboros on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 02:54:32 PM PDT

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              •  I'm not a "dude" (0+ / 0-)

                and I liked the OLD Alan Scott just fine the way he was (and Molly even more on the extremely rare occasions she got any page time at all).

                Time will tell if I take a liking to the all-new, all-different but with the same name and superhero handle version - but so far all of the DCnU is just New Coke to me.

                And you remember how well that turned out, don't you?

                If it's
                Not your body,
                Then it's
                Not your choice
                And it's
                None of your damn business!

                by TheOtherMaven on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 12:32:13 AM PDT

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      •  Is it clear that the Earth-2 characters (0+ / 0-)

        are ONLY on Earth-2? Or could there be another Earth in the multiverse where Alan Scott and Jay Garrick are older heroes, and Alan's son and daughter are current?

        There don't seem to be any continuity rules, or even guidelines, now...

        •  There could be (1+ / 0-)
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          but the question is whether DC will ever bother letting us visit it.

          Right now they're only interested in what's happening RIGHT NOW with and to characters who have been around for a maximum of five years, so they're all young and new and fresh and yada yada yada.

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 12:39:46 PM PDT

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