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  •  I only cited Clinton on the question of Russian (0+ / 0-)

    helicopters for Syria. She no doubt has access to such info via US intel assets, including sates. She no doubt made this info public because it looks bad for the Russians. Everything she say isn't a lie.

    Is she lying about Russia attack helicopters headed for Syria? The Russian response would indicated that she is not. That is the subject of this diary, the other stuff you bring up are smoke and mirrors.

    Where do you think the FSA came from. What do you think the soldiers that have deserted Assad are doing?

    simply be for an end to violence and not a demand for Assad to step down.
    Not demand that Assad step down? That's your position and you say you are not pro-Assad? Syrian peaceful protests started March 15, 2011 to demand precisely that. He has murdered thousands for simply making this demand.

    No, Assad is a cold blooded mass murderer who is still killing as we write. My demand is no longer that Assad step down, my demand, and it is echoed by people around the world, is that Assad be put down.

    Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

    by Clay Claiborne on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:06:07 PM PDT

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    •  I have to go, and I don't have time (2+ / 0-)
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      to argue much more of this on behalf of the audience(obviously I'm not arguing to change YOUR mind because you like American military aggression), but

      I only cited Clinton on the question of Russian helicopters for Syria.
      The dialogue between Clinton and Russia is the CENTRAL POINT of your diary, not just a minor citation.  It is the credibility of one of the two parties that are the CORE of this diary that people object to, not opposition to the actions of the Syrian army.
      Not demand that Assad step down? That's your position and you say you are not pro-Assad?
      Yes, and the fact that you conflate the two position just shows how unable and unwilling you are to talk about policy without becoming a straw-man erecting asshole.  Demanding that violence ends with NO OTHER CONDITIONS is a way to protect life.  Assad is a dictator.  Telling a dictator to ABDICATE POWER is clearly not a demand that is expected to be obeyed.  And by putting the demand that Clinton knows will not be met forward, she gets her justification for war AND the fig leaf of "trying diplomacy" at the same time.

      How can the demand that Assad be "put down" be met with less loss of Syrian life than a simple, unconditional demand that violence stop?

      Answer or don't.  I don't care to read your justifications for bloodletting wrapped in fake concern for small people anymore.

      The bourgeoisie had better watch out for me, all throughout this so called nation. We don't want your filthy money, we don't need your innocent bloodshed, we just want to end your world. ~H.R.

      by chipmo on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 01:24:06 PM PDT

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