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  •  pretty interesting story here (26+ / 0-)
    Tensions mounted when Obama argued that his administration’s policy was to focus on deporting criminals and others deemed to be security threats.

    “No, Mr. President, that’s not what’s happening,” interjected Angelica Salas, the head of the Los Angeles-based Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights. She was seated directly across the table from Obama and leaned toward him as she spoke, her hands trembling and her voice rising. “You’re deporting heads of households, mothers and fathers.” She said that “young people are sitting in detention centers when they should be sitting in the best universities in the country,” according to meeting participants.

    Obama looked taken aback by the direct confrontation from Salas and then turned to aides seated against the wall, according to several participants. The aides affirmed that, yes, criminals were the priority.

    Turning back to Salas, Obama asked: “What do you want me to do, not enforce the law?” He explained that he could not just ignore laws he didn’t like.

    The president spoke sternly. Several participants described him as defensive. One person said that, at times, Obama was “pissy.”

    •  VERY interesting. Another example of shitty... (11+ / 0-)

      ...or deceptive advisors.

      I have no doubt Salas was correct and Obama's advisors were full of shit. It makes me wonder how many polices are determined by shitty advisors essentially lying to Obama for their own ends.

      In a funny way, this incident makes me think more favorably of Obama as a person, though less favorably of him as a leader who can judge good talent.

      Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

      by expatjourno on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 01:52:32 PM PDT

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        •  I don't know. I assume he chooses one level. (3+ / 0-)
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          Then those advisors hire their subordinates. I think Obama has made terrible picks in many areas, from cabinet officials to Fed Chairman to his economic team.

          Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

          by expatjourno on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 03:20:10 PM PDT

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          •  In the first days of the administration, (5+ / 0-)

            there were complaints from liberals about the choice of advisers and cabinet members.

            Obama's reply was that it didn't matter what they were because Obama was the one who would decide.

            Now it was those dang advisers that led the president astray.

            These circular arguments are silly methinks.

            If I had thought people like Rahm Emanuel to Tim Geithner would be running things, I would not have voted for Obama.  Nor would I have sent him a coupla bucks had I known that he wanted to get along with and do the bidding of the corporate interests and scoff at liberals as an extremist fringe.

            Now that election time nears, we are back to change.

            But really now, what do we get but the same old rhetoric?

            Roundup and mass deportation of Latinos and even some American citizens presumably continues.  The war on medical marijuana intensifies.  Extrajudicial killings continue and may even be increasing.

            What did we get for our votes and money and energy?  Why should any liberal again be fooled?  Are we then such simpletons?

            Best,  Terry

            •  Yup. I remember those days. (0+ / 0-)

              I think the only good thing about re-electing Obama is that his re-election buys some time, since he would destroy the middle class and the Constitution a little more slowly. He'd also make better supreme court appointments.

              The downside is that having him in the White House makes all these policies that were so terrible when Bush was implementing them all too acceptable to the Democratic hypocrites among us, muzzling what should be full-throated opposition to them.

              Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

              by expatjourno on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 12:59:32 AM PDT

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              •  I'm not so sure the certain catastrophe of Romney (0+ / 0-)

                would be worse than the continuing catastrophe of Obama.  

                Certainly I admit that it is entirely impossible but who could have imagined that election of the demented paranoiac antisemite Richard Nixon would result in one of only two historic history-changing liberal administrations in the 20th Century despite the enormous collateral damage?

                Or that much of the good that might have flowed from that was aborted by the earnest but incredibly confused administration of Jimmy Carter would set the stage for the awful things that have happened since?

                It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.
                No one will ever top the wisdom of Yogi Berra.

                Best,  Terry

                •  Two words: Lifetime appointments. (1+ / 0-)
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                  It's a pity they both can't lose, but there will be as many as three vacancies to fill on the supreme court and god knows how many in the federal courts.

                  That's a lasting legacy. And Obama will not be as catastrophic on that score.

                  Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

                  by expatjourno on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 03:19:43 AM PDT

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                  •  You're Probably Right About That (1+ / 0-)
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                    but we can be sure that Obama will not even consider a liberal for the Supreme Court.

                    Best,  Terry

                    •  No, he won't. (1+ / 0-)
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                      But three more Sotomayors are better than three more Thomases, Scalias and Robertses who would then have an iron grip on the court for the rest of my life.

                      The damage Obama has done to the country is incalculable. Normalizing torture by changing torture from a war crime to a policy dispute. Signing off on, defending in court and expanding every last one of the Bush-Cheney abuses of civil liberties, without exception, instead of prosecuting the perpetrators. Helping Wall Street rob the citizens blind by making sure Wall Street gets to settle for pennies on the hundred dollars. Helping to poison the Gulf of Mexico by leaving the Cheney oil team in place at Interior.

                      And so on.

                      I'm glad California is not a swing state so I have no reason to hold my nose, vote for him and then try to shower away the stench.

                      Barack Obama: Gives people who tortured other people to death a pass, prosecutes whistleblowers. Change we can believe in!

                      by expatjourno on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 08:14:51 AM PDT

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      •  I work in this field (18+ / 0-)

        and from what I've heard (not directly, mind you) is that there are people around Obama telling him that he has no worries about the Hispanic vote.  As someone who works on the ground, I can tell you that this is BS.

        There are organizations out there - including mine - who are wondering how we can reconcile GOTV efforts with the administration's horrible record on the issues we advocate for.  We're seriously worried that such efforts might undermine our reputation with these communities.

      •  That is his problem from the beginning... (3+ / 0-)
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        Geither and Summers were put in that WH for one purpose, to protect the banks and make sure that NO ACCOUNTABILITY would be attached to them.  Obama fell for it and now look at this economy, a tortoise of a walk with many still unemployed.  These are GOP moves, sorry but it is what it is.

    •  He is arrogant, but pols are... (1+ / 0-)
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      he think he is right, but getting a taste of ppl fed up w/him out here.  It is what it is, with him.

    •  the irony...... (4+ / 0-)
      Obama asked: “What do you want me to do, not enforce the law?”
      He explained that he could not just ignore laws he didn’t like.

      Daniel Ellsberg, “It was always a bad year to get out of Vietnam.”

      by allenjo on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 03:52:35 PM PDT

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    •  The aides affirmed (3+ / 0-)
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      Obama looked taken aback by the direct confrontation from Salas and then turned to aides seated against the wall, according to several participants. The aides affirmed that, yes, criminals were the priority.
      It seems to me that the top-down directive to keep the heat on immigrants with criminal records but ease up on enforcement against non-criminal immigrants ... isn't being honored.  It kinda looks like the top brass sent down directives, but middle managers passed it on with a wink and a nod, and ICE agents in the field feel free to do as they please, which means acting as hard-ass as possible.

      The problem doesn't look to me like one of intention, at this point, but rather one of effectivness.  I don't think they have adequate control of their own federal agents.

      That's a signficant failing.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:05:56 PM PDT

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      •  Bingo! (2+ / 0-)
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        I think this is compounded by the fact that "criminal alien" means something in President Obama's mind, and probably calls up images of car jackers, drug dealers, wife beaters, etc.  But Clinton passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act in 1996, attempting to gain some political support from "independents".  This act created all sorts of categories of crimes which then render an individual deportable.  Many misdemeanors are considered felonies for purposes of immigration law, and require automatic deportation.  In addition, the law imposes all sorts of bans on re-entry, sometimes for periods of ten years.  

        Suppose one member of a same sex couple is deported because one partner overstays his/her visa and they cannot get married.  That person can receive a ten year ban on re-entry, and even potentially criminal prosecution if s/he attempts to come back to the US.  Now that's an extreme case, but that person would be a "criminal alien" under IIRAIRA.  And even though the Administration's upper levels have said they won't prosecute cases like that, you are exactly right - the rank and file will.  You are spot on in terms of the upper levels hoping to have more humane policy, but the lower levels conducting business as usual.

        Or at least, business almost as usual.  The other thing that I would add to your comment is that the Obama Administration actually runs government better than the Bushies.  In most cases, that's a good thing.  In immigration, it means that we have a more efficient, well-oiled, accountable, organized immigration service that is just a whole lot better at enforcing laws that they probably shouldn't, for both humanitarian and political reasons.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:26:17 PM PDT

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    •  Yes he can (5+ / 0-)

      > He explained that he could not just ignore laws he didn’t like.

      So when's the arrest warrant for the Bush cabal coming down?


      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
      Give 'em hell, Barry—Me

      by KingBolete on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 04:09:21 PM PDT

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    •  What I Got From That Story Was That Groups that (0+ / 0-)

      had the ability to raise huge amounts of money that  threatened to withhold donating to Obama's campaign got what they wanted, while groups that didn't have the ability to raise huge amounts of money got shit.  Thus Hispanic Americans got shit.  

      Seemed like money talked and bullshit walked in Obama's White House.  It sure pays to be a 1%er in this country.        

    •  What do you want me to do, not enforce the law? (0+ / 0-)

      Kinda like looking forward not backward?
      Congress was getting all kinds of pissy about him not enforcing DOMA? Isn't that the whole point with prosecutorial discretion?

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