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  •  What makes you think I'm not doing both? (0+ / 0-)

    That is, arguing against these PR-based policies on merits and politics while also trying to convince people that they're bad policies that shouldn't influence them to vote for or against Obama one way or another.

    Also, while it might well be true that there are "moderate" and "centrist" swing voters who claim to care about these issues and that their votes will depend on how Obama and Romney stand on them, I feel fairly certain that there are far, far fewer swing voters who WILL based their votes on them. These people are fence-sitting not due to national security, immigration or birth control or abortion or gay rights (because seriously, people for whom these are top issues are rarely centrist or swing voters), but on issues that affect them personally, which these days is jobs and the economy.

    It's sort of like the stories you hear about how most people, when asked in polls whether they have anything against black people, say no, because they don't want to be seen as racist, but then are seen to be racist in how they answer other, indirect questions that track with racism. So I tend to discount certain types of claims that such voters make about how they're truly undecided. I think that most of them are pretty much decided, and what will tip the scales will be economic, not other issues. So no, I don't believe that Obama playing the part of tough guy law enforcement save the country from terrorists and illegals dude will get him many votes that he wouldn't otherwise have gotten.

    Also, almost no one who's still on the fence is going to decide to vote for Obama because he's announced that he's going to cut Social Security. Anyone who says they would is almost certainly lying. People don't vote for Dems because they're trying to look conservative. Well, not in states that are almost certainly going to go for Romney anyway, like Nebraska or Oklahoma.

    To the extent that Obama needs to win over swing voters to lock it up, he's not going to do it this way, but rather by convincing them that he's more likely to turn the economy around, and that he has better character and is more concerned about the interests of everyday Americans. But he's NOT going to win it by promising to cut Social Security or deport more illegals. The people who might be impressed by that aren't going to vote for him anyway, by and large.

    GOP Lite triangulation is, has been and always will be a net loser for Dems. What few elected positions it wins us always loses us way more by depressing the base vote, validating GOP policies and reminding voters that Dems stand for nothing.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:23:22 PM PDT

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