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  •  Maybe you need (0+ / 0-)

    to read up on fraud in general.

    People will do what they can get away with.  It's just that simple.

    If someone wants to manipulate data, they aren't going to be telling themselves, "I'm an IT guru, but HudsonValleyMark says it makes no sense for me to do anything if the machines were already hacked, therefore, as the data flows through my office, I won't do anything with it.  I'm just going to do what HVM thinks is sensible."

    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 08:11:55 AM PDT

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    •  no, it isn't that simple (0+ / 0-)
      People will do what they can get away with.  It's just that simple.
      No, it isn't. People, in general, do a heck of a lot less than they could get away with. Even evil people do a heck of a lot less than they could get away with, if only because it is expedient to choose.
      If someone wants to manipulate data, they aren't going to be telling themselves, "I'm an IT guru, but HudsonValleyMark says it makes no sense for me to do anything if the machines were already hacked, therefore, as the data flows through my office, I won't do anything with it.  I'm just going to do what HVM thinks is sensible."
      What's missing here is any glimmer of a coherent hypothesis about what Connell might have done, how, and why. If you actually give a damn what happened in 2004, I don't understand why you aren't trying to figure it out. That mystifies me -- much as I'm mystified by 9/11 truthers who trumpet supposed evidence of explosive squibs on one hand, and supposed evidence of nanothermite on the other, without even trying to figure out how anyone would bring down a building using a combination of squibs and nanothermite, or why anyone would want to, never mind whether there is reason to believe that someone did. I don't think I'm evil for asking questions like that. I don't understand why everyone doesn't ask questions like that. Isn't asking questions supposed to be the whole point?
      •  your comparison sucks (0+ / 0-)

        The 2004 election hinged upon Ohio. The final vote tallies seemed to differ from the polling. Connells life and that of his family was threatened by Karl Rove according to the official record and the testimony of his attorney, Shortly thereafter, after being warned not to fly, his plane crashed. That's a whole helluva lot of smoke, bud.

        The 9/11 conspiracy is nothing but a manufactroversy, one created to make a lot of money and predicted by me as the buildings were falling. I am sure I wasn't the only one that saw this one coming.

        •  evidence? (0+ / 0-)
          The final vote tallies seemed to differ from the polling.
          Malarkey. All but one of the late Ohio polls put Bush ahead; the average was very close to Bush's official margin. Lots of people thought that Kerry might pull it out through monster GOTV, but not that Kerry was ahead.
          Connells life and that of his family was threatened by Karl Rove according to the official record and the testimony of his attorney,
          Connell's attorney testified that Connell's life was threatened?!

          Interesting if true, especially given the number of articles on Connell's mysterious death that say no such thing. If you can't demonstrate it to be true, would you reconsider your reasoning?

          Shortly thereafter, after being warned not to fly, his plane crashed.
          If there were a credible source for that warning, I might be more impressed. Where is this warning supposed to have come from? Did someone overhear Karl Rove gleefully cackling that "Connell is going down, and I mean that literally," and have a pang of conscience? Again, interesting if true, but it sounds like a straight-to-DVD movie plot.
          The 9/11 conspiracy is nothing but a manufactroversy, one created to make a lot of money and predicted by me as the buildings were falling.
          I don't think the line between 9/11 conspiracism and 2004 election conspiracism is nearly that clear. Actually, I think most people in both cases are sincere.
          •  IS YOUR GOOGLE BUTTON BROKE? (0+ / 0-)

            I simply typed in "Michael Connell lofe threatened'. . .and yes, I even mispelled "life" and I came up with lots and lots of information including but not limited to the following. v. .http://www.sourcewatch.org/...

            •  including this. . . (0+ / 0-)

              In July 2008, the lead attorney in the King Lincoln Bronzeville Neighborhood Association v. Blackwell case, Cliff Arnebeck, sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey seeking protection for Connell as a witness in the case, saying he had been threatened. Arnebeck wrote,

              “We have been confidentially informed by a source we believe to be credible that Karl Rove has threatened Michael Connell, a principal witness we have identified in our King Lincoln case in federal court in Columbus, Ohio, that if he does not agree to "take the fall" for election fraud in Ohio, his wife Heather will be prosecuted for supposed lobby law violations.[10]

              •  CAN YOU READ YOUR OWN COMMENTS? (0+ / 0-)

                I didn't ask you about some unidentified "source we believe to be credible," for some value of "we." I asked you about what you actually claimed. Are you prepared to support it, or not? If you aren't prepared to support it, are you prepared to apologize?

              •  oh, wait, I have an idea (0+ / 0-)

                Maybe you think that Arnebeck was Connell's attorney?!

                Look, it isn't good enough to use Google. You actually have to read the stories.

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