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  •  No evidence? (0+ / 0-)

    I'll begin by reitering, there are many, many recorded incidents of bogus vote counts derived from voting machines.  Enough, you would think, to stop using them until all is fixed and secure.

    Continuing their use, therefore, is tantamont to election fraud.

    Look at the first map in the diary.  Lots of states are still using paper ballots with NO voting machines.

    Just go to The BradBlog and search "voting machine fraud"

    You will find 2,020 hits for the search.

    Here's one

    VIDEOS: Vote Flipping on Touch-Screens in WV Failure Seen Persisting Even After Election Official 'Recalibrates' Failed Machine!

    San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera is the author of the lawsuit filed in San Francisco Superior Court against Election Systems & Software (ES&S) alleging fraud and breach of contract. Herrera charges that ES&S intentionally sold uncertified machines to the city and is seeking to recover $300,000 in damages

    HBO to Premier 'Hacking Democracy' Just Prior to November Election!
    Landmark Documentary Will Feature Exclusive Footage of First Known Hack of Diebold Optical-Scan Voting System!

    Monterey County, CA Registrar Admits New E-Voting Machine Technology 'Faith-Based'!
    In Radio Interview, Demonstrates New Sequoia Touch-Screens, Secret Software, Asks Voters to 'Trust Him' on Accuracy and Reliability!

    The Monterey official was a crook, btw

    13-Year California Election Official Facing 43 Criminal Charges!

    If you want to split a symantic hair, I'd suggest your argument could be with the word "FRAUD"

    To which I will respond

    If it is easy to detect voting machine fraud prior to the vote, I posit that we would never have seen their invention by Right Wing business owners.

    That said, again, the evidence that the voting machines have not, cannot, and probably never will be able prevent election fraud, referring to the machines so tested and about to be used in the 2012 Presidential Election.

    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:01:39 PM PDT

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    •  Not a single instance of electronic voting machine (0+ / 0-)

      fraud.

      And all of your links go to BradBlog.

      Sorry, but that's as credible as linking to World Nut Daily in support of the birther crap.

    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)
      I'll begin by reitering, there are many, many recorded incidents of bogus vote counts derived from voting machines.  Enough, you would think, to stop using them until all is fixed and secure.

      Continuing their use, therefore, is tantamont to election fraud.

      OK, I've counted to 100.

      Depending on what you mean by "many, many" and "bogus," we may agree. For that matter, I think that we should fix voting systems regardless of how many recorded incidents there are. But I don't really see the point in picking a fight with me on the grounds that using the machines at all is tantamount to fraud, and that I'm 'splitting a semantic hair' by using the word in any other way.

      Just go to The BradBlog and search "voting machine fraud"
      Look, a bunch of us lost patience with Brad Friedman years ago. He isn't always wrong, he sure as heck isn't always right, and he and Bev Harris have done a lot to marginalize serious discussion of election integrity on Daily Kos. It's a damn shame.

      I'm happy to discuss specific issues regardless of whether Brad is the one raising them, but counting the hits for "voting machine fraud" on his website isn't my idea of evidence or a good time. I don't see the relevance of your links to my comment.

      If it is easy to detect voting machine fraud prior to the vote, I posit that we would never have seen their invention by Right Wing business owners.
      I'm not sure what you have in mind about "prior to the vote." Part of the problem has been that many people have claimed to have detected voting machine fraud after the vote (fine so far), that their evidence has been poor, and that their behavior often has been atrocious.
      That said, again, the evidence that the voting machines have not, cannot, and probably never will be able prevent election fraud, referring to the machines so tested and about to be used in the 2012 Presidential Election.
      We may agree about that, but I'm not sure what it means. I don't think that any voting machine in use is guaranteed fraud-free.
      •  We agree (0+ / 0-)
        I don't think that any voting machine in use is guaranteed fraud-free.
        Perhaps the US can have International Observers.  : ))

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 08:00:18 PM PDT

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