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  •  I ask you to hack the machine (0+ / 0-)

    I say is unhackable .
    You say it can be done .
    So do it or admit that you can not .
    If you can not come up with a real way to hack the machine
    then I stand correct .
    You maybe need to actually get in touch with someone who actually has real experience , hands on , over multiple years , with the machine and the set up used here .

    Maybe once you talk with someone who has real experience , hands on , over multiple years , with the machine and the set up used here you will start to understand , or maybe not .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 07:00:51 AM PDT

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    •  that's your rebuttal of the Top-To-Bottom Review? (0+ / 0-)

      Dude, I freely admit that I personally couldn't even sink the Titanic. Does that make the Titanic unsinkable? Or is it completely irrelevant?

      If you really want to know the security issues with the equipment you're using, the TTBR is a phenomenal resource. If you have some useful comments about it based on your multiple years of hands on experience, that's fine. But if you think that your experience and confidence somehow refute a report you don't seem to know anything about, then all I can say is, not so much. I'm trying to meet you halfway, but you're not moving.

      •  I know why the Titanic sunk (0+ / 0-)

        I know who's fault it was
        I know what was done post the sinking to the other ships that were built in that yard before and after the sinking of the titanic .
        I had a relative go down on the titanic .

        If you really want to know the security issues with the equipment you're using
        You read the report so you know the " security issues" , right ? Now use your knowledge to hack in to my machine and steal a vote , please . If you can not even after reading about the " security issues" , why is that ?
        a report you don't seem to know anything about
        You read it , right ? So you know how to hack the machine I run , right ?
        So you should be able to do the trick , right ?

        Just do it !

        If after doing all the reading you have done you still don't know who to hack my machine , then you need to find more to read , maybe like what someone with real hands on experienced has to say ?

        Is the machine I run hackable ?
        Or is it not ?

        You have not shown that you know how to do it in real life .
        You haven't even come close to stealing a vote on my machine .

        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

        by indycam on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 03:43:10 PM PDT

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        •  yes, your machines are hackable (0+ / 0-)

          And if you learned about the issue, you would know how, just as you know why the Titanic sank.

          You haven't disputed any portion of the TTBR's analysis of how the Edges (and Optechs, for that matter) can be subverted. You haven't even disputed that most voters never check the VVPATs, so even the extreme mitigation of hand-counting the VVPATs isn't failsafe. You really don't have an argument here. It's an interesting spectacle, but it's rapidly getting less interesting.

          •  If you claim its hackable (0+ / 0-)

            prove it by hacking my machine .
            Its just that simple .
            If you want to be taken seriously ,
            do what you claim can be done .
            Until you show that you can do what you claim ...

            And if you learned about the issue
            Are you claiming I don't know ?

            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

            by indycam on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 09:04:00 AM PDT

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            •  I can only judge by what you write (0+ / 0-)

              You didn't even say whether or not you had read the document that details the Secretary of State's policy on the systems you've been talking about. I don't know how much you know about the TTBR; I only know that you haven't addressed its substance in any particular.

              I don't know how I can make this any plainer. Suppose I told you that I don't believe in climate change, but maybe I would accept it if you come to my town and show me that temperatures are rising. Hey, the Hudson is an estuary, so maybe you can show me changes in the tide marks, or something.

              And maybe you would think to yourself, "Well, maybe he's just confused," so you would point to some studies that explain the evidence for climate change. No, no, I would say, don't tell me to read stuff. My challenge is clear. Come to my town and demonstrate to me that the river is rising.

              At what point would you just shake your head and give up?

              I imagine you think that's a terrible, terrible analogy, because after all, your machine is nothing at all like my town. I could probably come up with a more exact analogy, but maybe this one captures the extent to which we are talking past each other.

          •  Ok (0+ / 0-)
            You haven't even disputed that most voters never check the VVPATs,
            You think my voters do not check the tape , is that what you are claiming now ?
            From real life hands on experience I can tell you that you are mistaken . I ask every voter to read the tape to make sure it is recording their choices correctly , once I see them read the tape and tell me that it has recorded their choices correctly , only then do I tell them to hit the last button .

            What else you got ?

            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

            by indycam on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 09:10:44 AM PDT

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            •  but it's not about you (0+ / 0-)

              Look, if you manage to get every voter to check the VVPAT, that's commendable. Truly. However, there is no way that I could possibly verify it, so while your belief that you accomplish that may help you, it doesn't do much for anybody else.

              Moreover, you aren't the only poll worker in California, so for most verification purposes, it really doesn't matter how much or little success you have in getting voters to check the VVPAT. We need to know how well everyone else is doing.

              If you think most California voters are checking the VVPATs, I sincerely hope you are right. I'm not against VVPATs. But their mere existence doesn't render the equipment unhackable.

              •  Once again (0+ / 0-)

                the machine I run is unhackable .
                If you think you can steal a vote from the machine I run , do it . Prove you can do it or admit that you can not .

                it really doesn't matter how much or little success you have in getting voters to check the VVPAT.
                I as a poll worker am part of the system that keeps the elections / votes from being stolen , no matter if its electronic or paper . For you to claim it does not matter shows your mind set . Have you ever been a poll worker ? Have you ever run an electronic voting machine yourself ?
                Do you know what an armchair pilot is ?
                However, there is no way that I could possibly verify it
                Have you verified everything you have read in your researching of my electronic voting machine ? Or do you just take their word for it ? Has anyone you have read on the subject , other than myself , ever seen what is what here in Santa Cruz re the set up of the security surrounding the touch screen voting machines ?  

                On a traditional paper ballot , people do not review their voting , they don't mark their ballots correctly , they miss-mark them . The scanner picks up some of their mistakes and spits out the ballot and prints up a very short report of why its spitting out their ballots . I have seen it over and over . The voter gets a 2nd chance to vote . And then they get a 3rd chance if they need .

                If the machine was not looking over their shoulder , their vote would not count or would be for what the voter did not want .
                The scanner helps people vote better .

                The touch screen I run helps voters even more and is hackproof .

                "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                by indycam on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 04:25:08 PM PDT

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                •  the machine you run has been hacked (0+ / 0-)

                  What next? Do I need to fly a jumbo jet into the Pentagon to demonstrate that it can be done?

                  For you to claim it does not matter shows your mind set.
                  Actually, it shows that you quoted me out of context. Meh.

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