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  •  Derailments are annoying as hell (7+ / 0-)

    But having yet another potentially abused reason to HR people is not good.
    Not responding to a minor hijack seems to work wonders.
    I believe the dickish hijacks are HRable already.

    Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

    by Burned on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:16:28 AM PDT

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    •  well, Burned, IF folks would not respond to (3+ / 0-)
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      a hijacker, then that would be fine.  But my experience is that 20 comments later people have lost track of the diary.

      What else would you suggest?

      I belong to the “US” of America, not the “ME,$,ME,$,ME,$,ME,$” of America!

      by SeaTurtle on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:19:51 AM PDT

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      •  Write a diary and ask people not to respond? (6+ / 0-)

        Of course that wouldn't work either, the place is too big and a lot of people like to snap back at hijackers.
        I think it will be okay Sea Turtle. It's been happening forever.
        I do understand your angst though.

        Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

        by Burned on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:27:57 AM PDT

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      •  I agree with the prior comment (0+ / 0-)

        If someone engages in a dickish hijack you are entitled to toss them a donut.  And explain why.

      •  Maybe instead of trying to HR, (0+ / 0-)

        regulars could quickly put in a comment that succinctly
        - cites the derailing comment for adhominen points, etc.
        - requests it be ignored to promote constructive discussion of the diary.

        Dirk McQuigley's comment you blockquoted is a great example - using the subject line for the alert.

        There are a lot of times a diary will cover something that is closely associated with another problem that is out there. Sometimes it is helpful to enlarge the picture, others not. I don't think that is what you are talking about, it does strike me as the sort of discussion other commenters are concerned about squashing. Doubt that would be a problem.

        I do find derailling very irritating. While I occasionally check a profile before responding, generally I recognize the people who make constructive, informed, interesting and funny comments, the ones who grind the same axe over and over (which I should mea culpa), the provocateurs, and trolls.

        The first half of this comment to G2geek is essentially what these folks are probably intuitively triggering.

        This diary got me to go check something I saw recently and now want to read.

        Brown Thrasher's diaries for the Daily Kos Logic and Rhetoric group.

        Hirschman's 1991 book The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy dealt with this non productive form of debate. What I think we need to recognize is what triggers our desires to defend whatever morality we believe in, and that stepping back from being triggered, keeps the stress hormones from getting over activated and wearing us out. Keeping the powder dry is the best move in some situations. The trick is figuring out which ones.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:11:11 PM PDT

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